Random question from mechanical ignoramus

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Jérémy, May 13, 2010.

  1. Jérémy

    Jérémy Guest

    What are the advantages and disadvantages of dry clutches vs. wet clutches
    for bikes? I've just noticed that my RT has a dry clutch, but the K1300GT
    has a wet clutch.

    I'd hazard a guess that a wet clutch is more resistant to heat damage from
    slipping, and a dry clutch allows longer service intervals because of
    reduced oil contamination, but why would a manufacturer use different ones
    on bikes with approximately the same purpose?
     
    Jérémy, May 13, 2010
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  2. Wet clutches are compact and can be made to handle quite reasonable
    amounts of power for their size - it's all about the frictional area and
    clamping force that dictates the slipping point. The cooling of the oil
    helps considerably and when the clutch is fully engaged the oil no
    longer functions as a lube.
    Single-plate dry clutches are ok up to a certain point but to handle
    serious amounts of power they have to get bigger and unwieldy or use an
    intolerable amount of spring pressure - through a bar lever. Multi-plate
    dry clutches tend to rattle like buggery and don't have any cooling -
    worse, they get too hot internally.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 13, 2010
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    Mike Buckley Guest

    Makes me wonder why cars don't have wet clutches. Even high performance
    cars have dry clutches? Anybody know if any cars past or present have
    experimented?
     
    Mike Buckley, May 13, 2010
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  4. They've got a large bellhousing. Practically, the Beemer bike clutch is
    as big as you could go on a bike. Car clutches can have really heavy
    springs on them, which is mitigated by the pedal leverage and in extreme
    cases, a hydraulic servo.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 13, 2010
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  5. Jérémy

    Jérémy Guest

    So why would you ever use a dry clutch?
     
    Jérémy, May 13, 2010
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  6. Cheap and simple to make, can handle large amounts of torque, suitably
    designed. Of all the advantages, none holds more sway for the makers
    than the 'cheap' bit.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 13, 2010
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    malc Guest

    One of the reasons I got rid of my RS was the dry clutch. Ok it wasn't
    slipping and had done 50k miles but I was doing a lot more stop/start
    commuting and by what I'd read those clutches don't take kindly to a lot of
    that. The BMW clutch is a real task to change, apparently (according to the
    people in the BMW forum I used to frequent) BMW would charge something in
    the order of £700 + to change it and an independant would be at least £500.

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    Malc

    Rusted and ropy.
    Dog-eared old copy.
    Vintage and classic,
    or just plain Jurassic:
    all words to describe me.
     
    malc, May 13, 2010
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Dry clutches sound great when they're rattling like a bag of spanners.
     
    Andy Bonwick, May 13, 2010
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    Hog Guest

    I've seen a Ferrari F1 engine dismantled. It had a multi place dry clutch
    with carbon fible plates.
     
    Hog, May 13, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    Clutch failure on boxer twins is not a big issue, for R-GS owners at least.
    Not even amongst the mad sods who go off roading and will give their
    clutches a harder time than road riders.
     
    wessie, May 14, 2010
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    Do you have a cleft keyboard?
     
    Salad Dodger, May 14, 2010
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  12. Not surprising.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 14, 2010
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  13. BMW have always built their bikes around the clutches (and the
    batteries). Fortunately, they do seem long-lived.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 14, 2010
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    CT Guest

    Kiran's 1098 does have certain "je ne sais quois" about it, yes.
     
    CT, May 14, 2010
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    Malc Guest

    Mine rattled a bit too. The garage told me it was ok so I never
    worried about it. It didn't get much worse over the time I owned it.
     
    Malc, May 14, 2010
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    Dan L Guest

    <waves>
     
    Dan L, May 17, 2010
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