Red light cameras in SF - any hope not to pay $380?

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Thomas, Mar 5, 2004.

  1. Thomas

    Thomas Guest


    Last week one morning I was listening to an audio-book to heavily and
    I got caught at Sloat / 19th Avenue in San Francisco. Well, the
    picture the camera took seems to be too good and in general I can
    accept that I made a mistake.
    On the other hand I'm not (yet) a millionare so to pay $380 for this
    violation is way too much (although I'm aware of the budget crisis
    So can someone give me an advice how could I at least reduce this nice

    Thank you in advance

    Thomas, Mar 5, 2004
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  2. I don't normally confront people on newsgroups, but I will make an
    exception. It's people like you that kill motorcyclists like me and then
    say, oops, sorry 'bout that--I was driving a 3 ton weapon of steel and
    glass, and decided not to pay attention to what I was doing.

    Pay the fine, and we can both be thankful you didn't do any other damage.
    Hopefully, the dent in your wallet will help you remember that driving is
    something that requires constant attention.
    Charles Stembridge, Mar 6, 2004
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  3. Thomas

    Mas Rapido! Guest

    Yeah and park your car, permanently/
    Mas Rapido!, Mar 6, 2004
  4. Thomas

    Dave Slavik Guest

    I would agree on this...

    You blew a red light...

    You fucked up.

    Deal with it.

    If I were in charge I would double, triple, quadruple that fine.
    Dave Slavik, Mar 6, 2004
  5. Thomas

    barbz Guest

    Yeah...people like you are the reason for those cameras. Hang up the
    phone, turn off the friggin audiobook you geek, unplug the shaver, take
    the newspaper off the steering wheel, grab it with both hands and LOOK

    Surely you didn't expect to get sympathy on a motorcycle ng!

    barbz, Mar 6, 2004
  6. Thomas

    notbob Guest

    Bull. The reason for those cameras is to generate revenue ...end of story.

    If you've paid any attention to the politics of stoplights, you'd know that in
    the past, getting a stop light installed at some locations has required, if
    not outright death, at least serious neighborhood pressure, often to no
    avail. But, now that these things can pull in the bucks, municipalities are
    throwing up stop lights left and right. Here in Livermore, the cash strapped
    city council has gone stoplight crazy, throwing them up like tree lights at
    Christmas. Every new one has cameras.

    It's been proven that proper engineering and light timing can be just as
    effective in reducing red light incidents. No money in that, though. And
    cameras at intersections do not prevent accidents. Besides, I don't leave
    my safety up to others. I know better than to quickly accelerate into an
    intersection when the light turns green, camaras or no.

    notbob, Mar 6, 2004
  7. Thomas

    barbz Guest

    Yeah, no kidding. Especially if the vehicle next to you is a panel truck
    or something else you can't see around! I've seen that happen twice,
    bike squirts out into intersection as soon as the light's green, gets
    nailed by some nerk running the red. Fortunately, neither incident had
    serious injuries incurred by the rider.

    barbz, Mar 6, 2004
  8. Thomas

    Alan Moore Guest

    Tell the judge you can't pay. He may offer you the choice of a weekend
    or two as a guest of the county.
    You're welcome. You've earned it.

    Al Moore
    DoD 734
    Alan Moore, Mar 6, 2004
  9. Thomas

    sms Guest

    It's a sad day on *.moto when people can no longer feel the hook
    setting firmly in their mouths.

    sms, Mar 6, 2004
  10. Thomas

    arat43 Guest

    Bottom line. If you run a stop sign, red light, camera or not you
    chose to disobey a traffic control device. You could get yourself or
    someone else injured or killed. IF YOU GET CAUGHT DOING IT PAY THE
    arat43, Mar 6, 2004
  11. Thomas

    notbob Guest

    **** off
    notbob, Mar 6, 2004
  12. oh, his insurance undoubtably will. stop light violations are generaly
    treated as serious offenses on insurance scoring.
    John R Pierce, Mar 7, 2004
  13. Thomas

    barbz Guest

    Now whose fault is that?

    Yes, it's dangerous to enter an intersection where you can't see what's
    coming. That's why at red lights and I'm turning red, if I can't see
    that no one's coming, I don't go even if some asshole behind me is
    honking at me for it. (Usually some car comes blasting by and they stop

    However, the nerk had fair warning that the light was about to turn red
    for him. I'd say that for being correct, having a green light trumps
    being an idiot. It's the nerk's fault.

    Nevertheless, the biker should have pulled enough ahead of the van to be
    able to see the intersection.

    Well, you seem like you want to argue about something, but it's not an
    arguable argue. Both guys were idiots for punching it when the light
    changed green. Me, I'da just sloped along at the same speed as the panel
    van next to me. Let him absorb the impact. Leave me the hell out of the

    barbz, Mar 7, 2004
  14. Thomas

    Robin Guest

    What is a "nerk"?
    Robin, Mar 7, 2004
  15. Thomas

    barbz Guest

    It's the British equivalent of a doofus. :)

    barbz, Mar 7, 2004
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