Request Google Satellite Photos of Known DMV Motorcycle Test Patterns

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Johnney Rocket, Sep 7, 2007.

  1. Can people post the snapshot of their local DMV motorcycle test pattern?

    Here's mine:

    Or just paste these two GPS coordingates into google maps and zoom in as
    far as you can go:
    37.350291986417986, -121.99369758367538

    Paste this into the web browser URL address bar while you're zoomed into
    the test pattern to get the GPS center point of the google map.


    Please post the motorcycle test pattern of YOUR local DMV!
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 7, 2007
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  2. Johnney Rocket

    Rich Guest

    Hillcrest, San Diego
    32.7504 , -117.1498

    Rich, Urban Biker
    Rich, Sep 7, 2007
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  3. Johnney Rocket

    Timberwoof Guest

    Here's a bunch in the SF Bay Area, courtesy of Google Maps.

    San Francisco:,-122.451

    Daly City,-122.451

    Corte Madera,-122.451

    Redwood City,-122.451


    Oakland (Hmmm. They don't seem to have an MC test space.),-122.451

    El Cerrito (Hmmm.),-122.451

    Pacifica (Hmmmm.),-122.451

    Napa (Hmmmm!),-122.451
    Timberwoof, Sep 7, 2007
  4. Johnney Rocket

    Rich Guest

    The circular part appears to be a double line, while the one in San
    Diego ws just a single line. Maybe there is some difference in where
    you go to take this test.

    This was an interesting exercise to determine the coordinates of the
    test tracks by successive approximations, but in terms of practical
    results, taking the addresses of the DMV, and then using the mouse to
    adjust the precise position.

    Rich, Urban Biker
    Rich, Sep 8, 2007
  5. Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  6. The cone "dots" I've seen are solid circles about six inches in diameter.
    They don't seem to show up in the satellite photos. The lines themselves
    are about three inches wide white paint, and there are always TWO in
    parallel for every feature.

    Here is the center point for the California DMV lollipop at
    1377 Fell St, San Francisco, CA (415) 557-1170
    37.77300239985695, -122.43981331586838
    37 degrees 46' 22.81", -122 degrees 26' 23.33"

    All the California keyholes I've seen are painted lines, about three inches
    wide, where the OUTSIDE of the painted line is the dimension quoted.
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  7. I can't seem to locate the motorcycle keyhole at the
    California DMV, 600 N Santa Cruz Ave, Los Gatos, CA 95030, (800) 777-0133
    37.233711103757315, -121.97851896286011
    +37? 14' 1.36", -121? 58' 42.67"

    Maybe I'm wrong, but this DMV seems to be VERY DIFFERENT!

    Its test structure seems to consist of a three-sided box with a circle in
    the center.

    Can anyone near the Los Gatos DMV confirm or deny the apparently wierd
    motorcycle-test markings?

    Does Los Gatos (aka, the cats) do motorcycle tests differently?
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  8. Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  9. Here's how I've been centering the circles:
    - I find the DMV location (thanks Timberwoof) on Google
    - I select the Google "Hybrid" satellite view
    - I zoom in to visually locate the DMV keyhole
    - I right click on the center of the lollipop
    - And select "Center Map Here" from the Google popup
    - Once centered, I right click on the green map arrow
    - And select "Clear Search Results" from the Google popup
    - I snap, crop, and post the screenshot for all to enjoy

    Here's how I obtain the precise GPS coordinates:
    - Once the DMV lollipop is centered
    - I enter the script below into the location bar
    - javascript:void(prompt('',gApplication.getMap().getCenter()));
    - This pops up a form with the precise GPS decimal coordinates

    Here's how I translate decimal to degrees/minutes/seconds:
    - Once I have the precise GPS decimal coordinates
    - I simply paste them into the Google location bar (sans parenthesis)
    - That translates decimal into degrees minutes seconds
    - And double checks that the coordinates are exact

    The result is that anyone in any named town can now check out their
    particular town's DMV keyhole simply by looking at the posted photos or by
    entering the GPS coordinates into a Google map location window.
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  10. Johnney Rocket

    barb Guest

    Neat idea! Here's the keyhole for the San Diego office on Normal Street:

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    barb, Sep 8, 2007
  11. Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  12. Corte Madera, California DMV
    37.93457051840289, -122.51718968153
    +37 degrees 56' 4.46", -122 degrees 31' 1.88"

    The Corte Madera DMV seems to be the first (so far) to have an observer dot
    stationed in the center of the keyhole.
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  13. Thanks Barb,

    Here's San Diego's Normal Street DMV lollipop, thanks to Barb,
    32.75042, -117.149827
    +32degrees 45' 1.51", -117degrees 8' 59.38"

    What would be interesting, in addition to analyzing the California
    keyholes, would be to see the test patterns for other states.
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  14. As Timberwoof noted, Oakland seems to be an anomoly (as was Los Gatos).
    I don't see the DMV keyhole. Maybe it's hidden in the trees?
    Or, maybe I'm looking at the wrong building (I've never been to Oakland).

    I wonder if one can even take a motorcycle riding test in Oakland.
    Or, maybe, just maybe, it's a different test?

    Can someone familiar with Oakland pinpoint the location of the DMV keyhole?

    37.839697, -122.259392
    +37degrees 50' 22.91", -122degrees 15' 33.81"
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  15. As Timberwoof noted, there is another enigma at
    Anderson Christine DMV, 985 Linda Mar Blvd, Pacifica, CA, (650) 359-6471
    37.588633117635425, -122.49403417110443
    +37? 35' 19.08", -122? 29' 38.52"

    However, I see there is a second DMV in Pacifica which DOES have the
    California lollipop.

    Pacifica DMV, 1500 Sullivan Ave, Daly City, CA 94015, (916) 657-8345
    37.689014, -122.472576
    +37? 41' 20.45", -122? 28' 21.27"

    So, maybe some towns with multiple DMVs only administer the motorcycle
    riding test at a subset of teh available DMV sites.

    Does anyone familiar with Pacifica have the answer?
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  16. Again, Timberwoof, I was surprised (as were you) at the Napa DMV photo.
    Yep. Nature has a way of getting in the way!

    Napa DMV, 2550 Napa Valley Corporate Dr, Napa, CA, (707) 252-4111
    38.256237, -122.274098
    +38? 15' 22.45", -122? 16' 26.75"

    I hadn't realized until now that the anomoly you and I see indicates the
    upper-level satellite photos might have been taken at a different time than
    the lower-level satellite photos.

    I thought the different levels were just zoomed-in subsets of each other,
    but the Napa DMV shot might indicate otherwise (perhaps not though).
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  17. Turby,
    What we need to do is COMPARE the California DMV test patterns with that of
    other states!

    So far, nobody in those other states has posted THEIR DMV test patterns,
    which is telling in and of itself - but which would be interesting by way
    of comparison.

    You seem to be posting from somewhere near Herndon, Virginia.
    Would you kindly post a test pattern from your state (if they have one)?

    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  18. Hi Rich,
    It's easier than that!

    Once you have a picture in Google maps, just do two things.
    1. Position your cursor where you want to find the coordinates of and right
    click and select the centering option.

    Now your desired object (in our case, the center of the DMV lollipop) is in
    the center of Google maps.

    2. Then, once centered, paste this into the browser location URL:

    Doing so provides the exact coordinates of the center of the lollipop!

    You can revisit those coordinates by pasting them into the google location
    bar (sans the parenthesis) and voila! Up comes the center of the DMV

    Here are some coordinates to try by way of example:
    32.75041960862975, -117.14983463287354 (for the San Diego DMV lollipop)
    37.77300239985695, -122.43981331586838 (for the San Francisco lollipop)
    37.233711103757315, -121.97851896286011 (for the Los Gatos enigma)
    37.68901012215813, -122.4725791811943 (for the Daly City DMV lollipop)
    37.492666425537344, -122.2296729683876 (for the Redwood City lollipop)
    37.93457051840289, -122.51718968153 (for the Corte Madera DMV lollipop)
    37.553632125195094, -122.00739026069641 (for the Fremont two-headed pop)
    37.689014, -122.472576 (for the Pacifica anamoly DMV lollipop)

    We've already learned a lot!
    And we've opened up a few unanswered questions to boot.

    Now, what we need are the test patterns from OTHER STATES!

    Where are all the other states?
    Johnney Rocket, Sep 8, 2007
  19. Johnney Rocket

    Timberwoof Guest

    Well, if that's what you wanted. Geeez. Anybody who has access to Google
    Maps can do that. Hang on a moment. ...

    Denver, CO (I think),-104.99

    Lakewood, CO (can't find it),-104.99

    Boulder, CO (can't find it),-104.99

    The other hits around Denver likewise didn't have an obvious MC test
    thing painted on a parking lot.

    Couldn't find any around San Antonio, TX or Knoxville, TN.

    Timberwoof, Sep 8, 2007
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    Timberwoof Guest

    Timberwoof, Sep 8, 2007
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