Road Charging?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. Hog

    darsy Guest

    I didn't realise that. I haven't driven on motorways in the middle of
    the night, but the last time I did I remember them being almost
    completely empty of traffic (this would have been the M25, the M1 and
    whatever other motorways are involved in getting back from north
    Wales)
    I agree - long distance freight should be on the railways.
     
    darsy, Nov 28, 2006
    #41
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  2. That would totally suck.
     
    Soylent Green, Nov 28, 2006
    #42
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  3. Don't tell WC!

    Ali
     
    Alison Hopkins, Nov 28, 2006
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  4. Hog

    Domenec Guest

    SD ha escrito:
    As a service to those planning to attend a French Run on a Bandit 12,
    there you are...

    http://www.bison-fute.equipement.gouv.fr/fr/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=50

    then

    http://www.bison-fute.equipement.gouv.fr/fr/IMG/pdf/poids_lourds_2006_ang_03_MW_cle2cb369.pdf

    Traffic restrictions on the road transportation of goods in vehicles
    exceeding 7.5 t maximum authorised load: hazardous and non-hazardous
    materials

    General ban on vehicle movement across the entire road network
    · from 22.00 on Saturdays until 22.00 on Sundays
    · from 22.00 on the day before public holidays until 22.00 on the day
    after

    Additional bans on vehicle movement

    · In the winter period: on part of the Rhône-Alpes network (see
    diagram opposite) on the Saturdays of 11, 18 and 25 February and 4
    March 2006, from 07.00 until 18.00, and then from 22.00 until 22.00 on
    Sundays. So, on the Rhône-Alpes network, vehicle movement is
    authorised on these four Saturdays from 18.00 until 22.00

    · In the summer period: across the entire network on the Saturdays of
    22 and 29 July and 5, 12 and 19 August 2006, from 07.00 until 19.00,
    and then from 00.00 until 22.00 on Sundays. So, vehicle movement is
    authorised on these five Saturdays from 19.00 until 24.00
     
    Domenec, Nov 28, 2006
    #44
  5. Well it goes with the territory with private education - if they're not
    boarders, the little darlings have to be shipped in from the country
    pile somehow, darling!

    However, when it's happening at local junior schools like it does here,
    a town that has schools dotted about within close proximity of all the
    main estates, and people are choosing to send their child to one the
    other side of town all because the school has a better reputation in
    their eyes than the one on their doorstep, then I think something is
    very wrong.

    It's not even as if as with some of the secondary schools now, the
    junior ones specialise in different disciplines - in that scenario, I
    can understand why a child might be sent to a school further away than
    the nearest one.
    In terms of junior schools, apart from kids stuck out in villages no
    longer served by a school realistically close enough to walk to,
    there's no real excuse for any child to be sent to a school that isn't
    classed as the local one and therefore within easy walking distance.
     
    jackhackettuk, Nov 28, 2006
    #45


  6. Its been shown that decent early years education gives the kids a far
    better start when they enter secondary school

    --
     
    Steve Robinson, Nov 28, 2006
    #46
  7. It's also been proven that congestion is getting progressively worse,
    and with the school run a significant contributory factor to this.

    My point was / is, if all kids were getting the same standard of
    education wherever they went to school, then maybe parents, (there will
    always be some who will insist school x is better than the one on their
    doorstep, and therefore the only one suitable for their beloved
    offspring), wouldn't feel so hard done by when councils legislated that
    a child has to attend the school nearest to their abode... at least at
    primary / junior level, anyway.
     
    jackhackettuk, Nov 28, 2006
    #47
  8. your point is valid

    problem will always be attracting and retaining the best staff to the
    inner city schools ,if thier is no financial gain for them they head
    for the nice leafy suburbs and you cant really blame them




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    Steve Robinson, Nov 28, 2006
    #48
  9. Woche enden fährt verbot?
     
    Mick Whittingham, Nov 30, 2006
    #49

  10. The government has just cancelled the majority of its' support for the
    canal system.

    Let it fall into disuse is the official line.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Nov 30, 2006
    #50

  11. Talking to a teacher, drinking friend of mine in the pub last night, he
    has just been to an interview. He turned the job down as he thought it
    was miss advertised as a 'consultant special needs teacher[1] covering
    several centres'.

    What it turned out to be was teaching kids who just don't turn up to
    school. They use local village halls to try and get them to attend for
    up to 8 hours a week. Afternoons only as they can't get them to turn up
    in the mornings. The goal is to teach them enough to read and fill out
    benefit forms.

    Where has the 'system' gone wrong, I ask myself?
    I'm beginning to sound like a grumpy old man.

    [1] He is particularly good at teaching kids with special needs. He
    didn't think this was where he would be best employed.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Nov 30, 2006
    #51
  12. Oh dear!

    My comment that the government has cancelled the majority of its'
    support for the canal system was taken from an article in the Guardian
    on 3rd August, from information leaked from the Environment Agency. It
    explains that the latest proposed cut to British Waterway's budget has
    been caused by increased levels of payments to farmers and additional
    civil servants to deal with the agricultural payments. Reports also
    state that a European fine is to be applied to the British Government
    for failing to make a sufficient proportion of its agricultural subsidy
    payments to UK farmers on time under a new system introduced this year.
    The fine, as well as the increased costs of the new system, is to be met
    from the Department for the Environment Food & Rural Affairs, and the
    only way it can do this is to cut the budgets of everything other than
    those for agricultural subsidy payments, which are protected by European
    agreements. So the result is to cancel the majority of its' support for
    the canal system. (Along with a lot of other rural matters.)

    You brought up funding not me but the reduction is meaningful!

    The Environment Agency is also set to set to suffer a £25 million cut to
    its budget and British Waterways may have to accept a reduction in its
    grant of about 7.5% (£4.5 million) in this financial year, which would
    put at risk BW's planned winter maintenance programme. BW has already
    agreed a cut to its grant of 5% (about £3 million) for 2006/07 shortly
    before the beginning of the financial year, so this further cut would
    mean an overall loss of 12.5% of BW's government funding before taking
    into account erosion by inflation.

    This will result in the canal system falling into disuse if the
    scheduled maintenance is not carried out.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Nov 30, 2006
    #52
  13. I'd call that a bite :)
    I was just quoting the Guardian and the Inland Waterways Association
    journal of which I am a member.
    Everything is down to money but a lot of the support comes in the way
    the various government agencies provide physical support to maintaining
    the waterways. Roads over canals not pipe the canal under a road. That
    was a Prescott thing when he was in transport. He couldn't see there was
    a problem. ie Conducting projects that impinge on waterways in a benign
    manner even if it does cost a little more. That approach is not
    entertained in the directive on cost cutting.
    No, that is a statement you are making not what I've said.
    It is an indication of the withdrawal of funding and is significant in
    the long term existence of the waterways.
    Again I only quote from what was written in the Guardian and the IWAJ.
    The winter maintenance schedule is of the highest importance to the
    waterways because this is the only time the work can be done without the
    majority of the users getting in the way. If it is not completed this
    winter the effects will carry over to next winter. The government policy
    of robbing Peter to pay Paul will directly effect the IW to it's
    detriment.

    That's cause and effect not extrapolation.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Nov 30, 2006
    #53
  14. Hog

    Scraggy Guest

    Genau.
     
    Scraggy, Nov 30, 2006
    #54
  15. Hog

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Wochenendfahrverbot, please.
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 30, 2006
    #55
  16. No u do bite easily on anything to do with the current government.

    Ah the "Give me exactly where it was printed or it's not true" retort.

    Also known as the "I don't know my self, can't be bothered to look, pass
    the work on to some one else". Very good project management skills!!!!

    I was a project manager for years................

    Well I'm not going to quote every paper it was in because it was
    reported in August. God knows why the Today program dug up four month
    old news. I will reference the Inland Waterway Association article on
    the funding (not on government support, search the IWA and the
    references on that will be found), because it is a fairly good summary
    of all the other articles. ie they all copied from each other as I did
    from them.

    http://www.waterways.org.uk/News/Pressreleases/IWAPressRelease-IWAStrongl
    yCriticisesGovernmentCutstoWaterwayFunding


    The winter 2006 IWA Journal has actually just dropped through the front
    door and is full of the cutbacks to agencies to cover the government
    sort fall and how that will effect the waterways. I'm busy at the moment
    but give me time and I'll quote that as well.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Dec 1, 2006
    #56
  17. Well 98% of the words are directly taken from the article I quoted.
    I quoted the article on *funding* as an example and a way you could find
    out the current policy towards the Inland Waterways. Also it was one of
    many I quoted from. I use the original derived from the Guardian quote
    because some people believe if it's not in the Guardian it can't be true
    :)
    You believe anything you want. You can be in a world all on your own.

    As a long time member of the Inland Waterways Association I've followed
    the shenanigans of the current and previous governments with regard to
    the IW. Nether has anything to be proud of.

    Canals are an important part of our heritage and an asset that I believe
    could be exploited for heavy goods. Some timber importers are returning
    to the canals.

    The current government withdrawal of support to the infrastructure of
    which the canals are a part will result in their demise. The only way
    out at the moment would be a price increase to use the canals which
    would remove private use and put commercial use out of businesses.

    Now for your benefit if you are doing the project manager role:

    Removal of support to the infrastructure of which the canals are a part
    constitutes a majority of support to the canals.

    The government policy that causes it, is its' official line.

    I notice you removed my "cause and effect" reference.

    Me, I like the canals and have enjoyed them immensely and now I'm off
    out to repair a neighbouring farmer's quad bike.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Dec 1, 2006
    #57
  18. Hog

    Pip Guest

    There's something to do with colonic irrigation here, but I can't
    quite put my finger on it.
     
    Pip, Dec 1, 2006
    #58
  19. Hog

    muddy cat Guest

    I wouldn't want too.
     
    muddy cat, Dec 1, 2006
    #59
  20. Sorry, longtimenoGermanspeak.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Dec 2, 2006
    #60
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