road spikes

For the three minutes it took to disable them , and happily that
currently is beyond govco powers .

 

Yeah, 'cos they worked so well for trucks...

 

When you consider that the article specified that on some occasions
even police managed to drive over the things, I can only agree with
your assessment of persons who manage the feat.

 

The entire argument towards speeding is to minimise the time spent
engaged in commuting. Doesn't mean the argument is terribly
compelling.

 

You must work shifts!

justAL

 

And ya know, it is funny where it is.
Damned forethought and hindsight.

justAL

 

You missed the point, if high speed pursuit creates a potentially
hazardous situation and has the same net effect as not chasing them then
not chasing them _is_ the solution.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

If penalties are a deterrent, why do we keep building more prisons to
accommodate extra prisoners, and why does the Victorian Government
collect over $400 million dollars per annum in traffic fine revenue?

Just look at the discussions in ausmoto and just about every other bike
forum every long weekend among the NSW riders. Double demerit points
are not a deterrent to speeding. Riders merely defer their speeding to
another weekend.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

LOL

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Pursuit Cameras!

Moike

 

What a silly leap of logic. Most people have nothing to fear but a
small fine and a few points from a traffic stop if we're being naughty.
The only people who do runners are those who have a lot more to lose
as a consequence of being stopped, for either the reason they're being
stopped, or for some other reason which may become apparent if they are
stopped. The logical conclusion to draw is that once the offender
speeds off, they are unlikely to stop or slow down while they are being
chased.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:15:39 +1000

That's a deterrent for the weekend in question, which is the idea.
As holiday weekends tend to have a higher crash rate, get people to
defer targeted behaviour. (Whether the crash-causing behaviour is of
the type that gets detected and incurs points is another question.)

So that deterrent does work. It changes the risk/reward calculation
for the time it is in place.

What would happen if the double was permanent? Would people continue
to decide the consequences of being caught were too high, or would
they get used to the idea?

Zebee

 

Some in our society already try to ignore all cops, or at least, avoid them.

Some, generally law-abiding, accept that society needs cops and society
needs to cooperate with cops.

The balance varies from time to time and place to place.

It makes it very hard for the cops when lots of stupid, and almost
unenforceable rules and laws are dreamt up by governments, and then the
cops are ordered to enforce them.

Chasing a car involved in a drive-by shooting seems fair enough. You'd
probably even get a helo thrown in, but chasing a kid P-plater who, in
panic, runs because he/she has too many underage passengers....no.

Yes, Peter, I understand how it's difficult for the cop to pick which
pursuit they should go for, but if the silly rules were to be dumped,
there might be less trivial pursuits.

Hypothetically, said Occifer is cruising Old Road, between Mooney and
Mt.White, in unmarked XR8.

A suzi shaped blurr rips past, going the other way at...160 kph in a 60
zone.

Sure the suzi is breaking the speed limit, but, how stupid would it be
for the cop to chuck a U-turn and pursue?

Now, same scenario, but suzi doing only 80 in a 60 limit.
Cop _might_ be able to do u-turn without killing anyone...might be able
to catch suzi, but it would only prove that, if you are going to break
the speed limit, you might as well do it properly.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Richard wrote:

No chance.

Speed limiters set at 125, speed limit at 110....income.

Speed limiter set at speed limit.... no income.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

That sounds great and it would only cost $1,500,000,000 to fit to all the
cars in Oz. Then somebody will figure out a $2 hack for it and turn off all
the cars in Oz at the same time.

Fucking Brilliant!

Theo

 

A better and cheaper solution would be to remove speed limits. Ergo, no more
speeding offences to chase people for.

Theo

 

Come on Nev, we all know that it makes sense to cancel someones drivers
licence if you catch them driving without a licence.

Theo

 

Holy shit, we're agreeing.

Theo

 

Did I say that?

"Oh dear, I'm being signalled to stop by the rozzers. I am 15, obviously
don't have a licence, we stole the car and I have a five mates in the bak
with two cartons of beer we ripped off from the drive-thru. Of course I will
stop, because it's an offence not to." You really think that has wings?

The kid's gonna run and not stop till he has an accident, killing a couple
of his mates and maybe a friend of yours going serenely thru a green light.
Better to let him go. In most cases the coppers know who they are and can
pick them up later. It's mostly the copper's ego that creates the chase.

Theo

 

Easy solution, get rid of speed limits altogether. No speeeding, no pursuit,
no harm done. Copper can maybe check out all those burglaries.

Theo