Saint John of The Cross 9-21-95

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by linfarre, Apr 12, 2010.

  1. linfarre

    Lars Chance Guest

    The fact that morphine works is the closest I can come to a proof.
    (Ooh; and that something that comes out of a chook's arse and slices of
    a smoked pig go so well together!)
     
    Lars Chance, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lars Chance Guest

    Ahh; thank you Moike. I missed the cleverness of this first time around.

    Humble apologies.
     
    Lars Chance, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lars Chance Guest

    Arrgh... I remember that one but I can't remember who (or where).

    MUST NOT GOOGLE
     
    Lars Chance, Apr 19, 2010
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    Knobdoodle Guest

    Gawd; Gerry's getting the full-service rub-and-tug gratification on this
    thread isn't he?

    So many posters on his hook at the same time!
     
    Knobdoodle, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lee Guest

    Yep. often called apatheist
     
    Lee, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lee Guest

    Oi! i resemble that remark!
     
    Lee, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lee Guest

    *Cough*

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof

    note the example is similar to the "God" question - "Do Fairies Exist?"
     
    Lee, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lee Guest

    Science is *absolutely f***ing full of conjecture, possibilities, and
    probabilities.
     
    Lee, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lee Guest

    Are you agnostic about Fairies, Goblins, Trolls, Dragons etc too?
     
    Lee, Apr 19, 2010
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    Lee Guest

    Try it in a "balance of probabilities" hearing instead, you'll get further.
    One can be fairly certain one is not pregnant. One can be wrong about that ;-)

    Yes, i don't know. I'll even agree with you that we *Can't* know.
    Proof, no. Evidence, yes. point me to just one of those that isn't logically sound.
    Black holes are Conjecture. Hawking radiation is conjecture. The
    bloody Higgs Boson is (currently) conjecture.
    Until recently (2008) there was no scientifically acceptable evidence that
    there was a supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way (and since,
    several other galaxies). Does that make the work done by the scientists who
    suspected that there was (with some evidence to support the idea) to prove
    their theory, pseudoscience?
    You seem to have a slightly optimistic view of science that doesn't quite
    match up with reality. Science almost never "Proves" *anything*. it only
    supports various theories to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the
    weight of the evidence supporting the theory.
     
    Lee, Apr 19, 2010
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  11. In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:53:53 GMT
    It's a story (meaning who knows if true) about a well known scientist
    giving a lecture about astronomy and afterwards was accosted by a
    little old lady who said he was all wrong, and the world was really
    a plate supported by a giant turtle.

    "So what is the turtle standing on?"

    "Another turtle"

    "And what is that turtle standing on?"

    "YOu are very clever young man, but it's turtles all the way down"

    (Pratchett had probably heard this story, hence A'Tuin is swimming,
    not standing...)

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Apr 19, 2010
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  12. If the tooth fairy turns up on my doorstep, then yes, I'll believe in
    her. Meantime, obviously no. I'll believe in the tooth fairy and Santa
    Claus [1] as much as I'll believe in god(s), ie fuckall.

    Kev

    [1] On that note I had to email a bank manager at one of our Westpac
    branches yesterday whose first name is Santa. Yes, I know it is an
    ethnic name, but starting the email with "Dear Santa" just brought a
    smile to my face. "Can I have a tricycle and Playstation and and and"
    :)
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 19, 2010
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  13. Which is why I don't believe in him/her. But that doesn't mean he/she
    might not have popped off to the Andromeda galaxy for a short billion
    year holiday and is just waiting for the volcano ash to settle before
    tripping back here and deciding we've made a **** up off the place and
    sending us all into detention. I wish those noisy pigs would stop
    flying over my house in Tempe to land at Mascot as well.

    Kev
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 19, 2010
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  14. From what I understood (and no, I can't be arsed googling it either)
    it is based on an Indian religious belief that Pratchett hijacked. To
    great effect :)

    Kev
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 19, 2010
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    theo Guest

    I first read it in Stephen Hawkins "Brief History of Time". He may
    have got it from someone else.

    Theo
     
    theo, Apr 20, 2010
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    G-S Guest

    It isn't fantasy actually, although it is speculation. You (further
    down this post) say "of course there are lots of them".

    If there are lots of them then logic would suggest that our universe is
    very very unlikely to be the only one that supports life.
    Nope. A universe is most definitely NOT the same thing as the Cosmic
    All. Ask almost any cosmologist.
    I'm not stirring actually, but no I don't actually think that our
    universe was created but I can't prove it, you can't prove it and proof
    is unlikely to come in our lifetime.

    If we can't prove it then stating it is proved is misleading at best
    Moike (seriously).


    G-S
     
    G-S, Apr 20, 2010
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    theo Guest

    I looked it up Hawkins attributed it to Bertrand Russell.

    Theo
     
    theo, Apr 20, 2010
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    G-S Guest

    An extra universal origin assumes an extra universal creation of the
    universal creator.

    If you're asking about who or what created the cosmic all then I don't
    think that question is answerable by definition since we cannot know of
    anything outside our own universe.
    I admit it's a minority position amongst scientists :)

    I admit it's not my position.

    However as a hypothesis it isn't disprovable (at this point in time) and
    as such has a mathematically non zero probability.
    The laws may be constant, but the constants are not.
    And multiple universes within the cosmic all with the randomness of
    their early expansions (or otherwise) would likely 'freeze' different
    universal constants.
    NO! The cosmic all superset would be consistent, but with variations to
    constant values in each universe.
    Irrelevant. We are talking about the possible existence of a god (or
    creator if you prefer that term), not about any possible current effects.
    To what? I haven't changed my viewpoint, you've just asked me to expand
    upon it.
    So Copernican physics was a superset of Ptolomy?
    You cannot (by definition) 'see' an event horizon, although astronomers
    have observed (clearly) accretion disks surrounding them.
    You said "conservation of mass/energy".

    Is mass/energy conserved upon entering an event horizon?


    G-S
     
    G-S, Apr 20, 2010
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    BT Humble Guest

    Thank you, thank you very much. :)

    And here was me spending the last couple of days thinking "Tough crowd!"


    BTH
     
    BT Humble, Apr 20, 2010
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    G-S Guest

    I didn't actually say "ignored", although I implied "did not or could
    not interfere with the progress of".


    G-S
     
    G-S, Apr 20, 2010
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