[QUOTE] The noise my ST makes is about as far from a "growl" as you can get. My toaster makes more aggressive noises (and has more personality, too, come to think of it).[/QUOTE] Well that settles it... Staintune must be made form recycled toasters... you need to uncork some growl sound with an American exhaust system... [URL]http://www.twobros.com/cgi-bin/shopper?preadd=action&key=005-080407D[/URL] Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... [URL]http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/[/URL] [URL]http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/[/URL] [URL]http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2[/URL]