scooter stack

A friend posted this on facebook for me:


Take note of how concerned the cop is for the victim!

 

He's probably thinking "Am I invisible?"

 

He was thinking
"Bugga more paperwork"

 

Securing the scene and ensuring the safety of accident victims is always
first priority at an accident scene.

I would say he handled the initial 20 seconds following the accident
100% by the book.

He's already reported the accident to his base within a few seconds of
the crash. Making sure noone else crashes into the crash scene is far
more important than standing around looking at the rider bleeding or
scolding the driver for running a red light.

Nev..

 

Noted. What a pointless turd.

Yeah, the "scene" was so insecure.

Bollocks.

Utter, utter garbage.

If that's what the book says, get a new book.

- soakes

 

Yeah, the "scene" was so insecure.
You sound like such an expert on the subject... FWIW Nev is correct. But
you dont want to hear that.

So what should he have done oh wise zero?

 

You're saying the correct procedure when a probably-seriously injured
person is lying on the ground and there is plainly no danger of any
traffic continuing into the scene, the "correct" procedure is to wander
around nonchalantly and wait for the ambulance to arrive?

This *is* a human (policeman), right?

Are you seriously suggesting you would be so utterly soulless that you
would not waste a cursory glance at the bleeding, mangled, innocent
victim lying on the ground writing in agony? (I am embellishing, but
I'm still right).

Probably shot the victim, by your apparent standards.

- soakes

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:04:20 +1000

IT is to make *sure* there's no traffic, if you are on your own you
have to work out how to make sure traffic coming along doesn't hit you
or the victim.

Step one from the St John's motorcycle crash specific course I went
on.

Once you have that and you have called for backup *then* you start
work on the bod.

If you know what you are doing and you are sure that you won't do more
damage.

Zebee

 

Ouch, that is giving me flashbacks. The only difference with my prang was,
apart from the reversed direction, I hit the car just behind the driver's
front wheel when she run through the stop sign.

Rule number one of first aid is to make sure that the helper and the victim
aren't in any more danger. As for what he was thinking, well that's a hard
one to know.

From my own experience the police, the ambos and the general public that
were around on the day were all as much help as I could have wanted.

 

I dealt with a similar scene on the Gold Coast years ago. My first priority
was the victim. I went straight over to him and protected him from traffic
by standing next to him and stopping the traffic.. Then I made sure he was
breathing and not bleeding too badly. Then I got some bystanders to stand in
prominent places and direct traffic around him, and another to call 000.
While that was going on I checked the casualty for injuries and put him in a
safe airway position.

I did not go straight into a traffic control role and ignore a possibly
dying person that I could have saved with a bit of basic first aid.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:44:11 +0000 (UTC)

Yes you did.

You said it yourself.

What the cop saw that you can't, you can't know.

It might be standing next to the guy was the wrong thing for that
situation. It might be that standing next was the wrong thing for
*your* situation, and you just got lucky.

I have been stopped by someone who came across a car crash. It was on
a road with 100kmh limit and one lane each way and not straight, so he
did the sensible thing - warned people from far enough away they could
stop.

He had no first aid training, and wasn't silly enough to move or do
anything to endanger her. If a few minutes meant death than with an
untrained helper it still means death. (and with most people who
haven't refreshed in the last year)

I dunno what things that video *doesn't* show.

I do know that I was taught to properly manage the scene and only mess
with the victime once I was dead sure we were all safe from traffic,
and to do the absolute minimum while waiting for the ambos. If they
are bleeding arterially or not breathing, realistically probably won't
save 'em. And if "basic first aid" will save them, they are not
dying. Not for the time it takes to sort the scene and call for help.

Zebee

 

I couldn't see a thing wrong in that video. Apart from some stupid ****
on a plastic scooter trying to head butt a car.

The cop ran towards incoming traffic and started to control it. That is
EXACTLY what should be done. He had a radio out I saw, and the civvie
driver was also on his mobile, and bending over the vic, presumably
seeing if he/she was still alive. He was rolling around a bit, usually
people near death don't exhibit this behaviour. I am sure he was sore
and feeling sorry, not as sorry as having a petrol tanker hit the back
end of that car.

The VERY FIRST RULE in any First Aid situation is to MINIMIZE HARM. TO
YOURSELF AND OTHERS. This is just situational awareness. THEN you can
Triage to your heart's content.

HTH.

Mark Addinall.

 

I was in the SES for a few years. The SES is a magnet for loonies.
We had this one guy who carried around a sharpened screwdriver to use
in case he had to do a "trachy". Be afraid. Very afraid.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

 

Onya bike

(with love)

 

I'm in the SES now and we weed out loonies like that real quick.
Sharpened screwdriver? Every SES member I know carries a knife. Why would
they need a sharpened screwdriver?

The RAAF taught me the theory behind the emergency trach and got us to
practice to jut short of the point of cutting, the SES doesn't get into
that kind of thing. I'm still waiting for the advanced first aid course
for vertical rescue, maybe its in that.

 

You didn't see the stupid cnut in the car who ran the red light and hit
the scooter rider?

Nev..

 

Just the right place for you then, mate! Boom! Boom!

What did you carry, a penknife to do brain surgery; you appear to be
an expert on mental illness. Boom! Boom!

Sorry folks, I'm gone. You see, Gerry and I are trolls from the Flight
sim group, and as I was "over here" I thought I'd have a quick chin
wag with him.

G'day to you all.

--
BasilBrush.

Be a troll! Be a troll!
Let disruption be your goal -
Anything that you can do to draw attention to your role
Egoboo can be nice
Get your fix at any price
You can make entire newsgroups into clucking little birdcoops
Be a troll! Be a troll!

 

"Zebee Johnstone" wrote

Absolutely correct. If there is a second responsible looking person
you can ask them to call 000 and make sure they get an ETA.

Last accident I stopped at there were 15 people there before me, just
standing there. No-one had called an ambo and no-one was doing
anything about the person in the vehicle who was unconscious with a
strong smell of spilt fuel all around.

Theo

 

Didn't see the red light, no. I did see a bloke on a scooter go hair-arse
through and intersection. If I have a green in front of me, I still have
a left-right look about. Don't you?
Mark Addinall.

 

I can make it... I think I can make it... I think I might make it... Oh Shit!