Scrote deterrents

Thinking about fitting one of the bike marking things to the transalp and
the fes (when we get it) and also thinking of doing the smart car when
that's delivered too.

there seem to be a couple to choose from, the good old datatag, then
alphadot, and the latest craze seems to be smart water.

was thinking of going for smart water, but it seems when buying the kit you
are only buying a 1 year entry to the database or something, and have to pay
every year to have it remain active.

if so they can **** off, but does anyone know if that's true or i was just
misreading their site?

I know datatag is a one off payment,

Anyone got any negatives for any of the marking systems?
i dont want them just for the insurance discount (12 quid a year it seems on
our policies) but more to make the scrotes think twice before nicking our
vehicles,

ok i know if they want to nick them for joy riding they wont care about a
marking system, but i dont think the honda fes scooter is the kind of scoot
the teenage scrotes want to show off to their mates after they nick it, so
it's more likely to be nicked for parts,

 

IMO, they are a waste of money. It is only a deterrent to a
'professional' thief who want to sell on the parts. I dont think your
vehicles would be targetted for parts, they are nicked to go round the
local off-road course, then either dumped, or left to use another day in
a hiding place.
No idea about the Smart car, is there a thriving 2nd hand spares market
for them, or are they disposable items?
Either way, if broken for spares, plod has to catch someone with the
marked parts, then trace it to see if it is stolen. Unlikely sequence of
events for many Forces - doing 2 things correctly, then they have the
hurdle of getting a conviction. Getting the bits back would be no use to
you then either, as surely by that time you woudl have an insurance
payout.

A big lock and chain is the best detterrent to 'joyriders', possibly fit
a movement alarm. Isnt the Smart already alarmed and immobilised? If so,
the only way to pinch it is to break into your house and get the keys.
Of course, if they do that they'll kill you, rape the wife, kill her,
torture the kids, eat the cat, then burn the house down. Luckily the car
will be watermarked so the Police will find them.
No good to you though.

Alan.

 

yup, smarts have imobilisers, but they are nicked for parts, usually dragged
onto the back of a recovery type truck so no one bats an eyelid.

i was sorta thinking along the lines of if there's 2 identical bikes/cars
parked up, one has the datatag stickers on display, the other dosent, the
scrote will most likely have the one without the datatag,
best way of theft deterrent it seems is to make your bike less attractive to
thieves than the others near it.

if my bike was nicked i dont want it back to be honnest, but if i can do owt
to help deter it being nicked for parts that's what i want, if they nick it
for joy riding, i can always hope they ride it under a truck,

the transalp has the honda hiss2 imobiliser on it, and i have a big **** off
heavy chain and lock that's apparantly thatcham 3 certified (one of those
krall ones, weighs a fucking ton it does)

i dont think the honda fes scooter has the hiss imobiliser, so it was that i
was thinking of adding some sort of theft deterrent to, it will also have a
krall lock and chain,

 

I use Datatag. Smartwater is popular because you can add it to so many
different items, whereas Datatag, er, tags, are a bit more visible. Easy
to hide on a bike: not so easy on (say) a laptop.

Whichever you choose, *do* remember to put the warning stickers
prominently on the bike. They're supposed to act as deterrents and they
won't deter if nobody knows the bike is treated. Better to have the bike
not nicked in the first place than to be able to recover the bits
afterwards. Overall, a stout lock & chain is the best bet, IMHO.

I've got Datatag on the Duke. It's the first (and only) security system
I've ever used. Nobody's nicked it. Yet. But then they haven't nicked
anything else, either. This could be down to the fact that I rarely have
bikes which tea-leaves would be interested in.

 

All of the above. Particularly the last point. Any deterrent that
requires thought on the part of the thieves will have less effect at
your end of the market.

 

Unless you leave your bike outside a lot in open areas don't bother. My bike
is either in my shed or i'm on it. If we go to the coast at the weekend
(like this morning) we rarely sit more than 20 yards from them.

--


Nige,

Honda VTR1000 SOLD!
BMW K1200S
Range Rover Vogue
Aprilia RSV Mille

 

Whatever happened to Alphadot?

 

He got beta

 

well, the scoot will be garaged and we're in a very safe area,

but my GF's parents live in a bit of a shitty area (bullwell, notts) and
most of her friends seem to live in the scummy areas too,

as others have said, datatag with its transponders seems the best, smart
water requires forensic detection bollox to read the details it seem, where
as waving the rfid scanner over the bike is something any mong can do, and
get the owner details with a few clicks of a mouse.

plus i'm fucked if im paying a subscription to keep the details on a
database active,

Anyone know the differances between the scooter and motorcycle datatag kits?
appart from the tenner price differance,
the photo's of the kit on the datatag site seems to show the same contents,
unless there's more plastic etching fluid in the scoot kit or something.

 

You. Coat.

 

They craned my mates caravan over his fence when they nicked it. 'She'
actually saw it as she was driving home .. "ok look, a caravan like
ours ...". (I think they even had the Police helicopter up but the van
was never found).

I've just bought a scooter that came with some Datatag numbers on most
of the panels (No Datatag warning stickers that I remember seeing
though?). Datatag have no record of said numbers ever being registered
and suggested I contact my local Police Station to see if I could get
it scanned and then register the transponder and panel numbers with
them. I spent a day on the phone trying to get through to any Police
department that 1) Understood what Datatag was and 2) Might be in a
position to scan it for me (when on some publicity event like a Fete
or an open day etc even). Never did sort anything.

I'll try the Motor Vehicle Crime dept again (I think they were all
busy that day) and I guess they might actually be the ones with the
scanner.

I think that's it. Just more stuff in the motorcycle one.

As mentioned elsewhere, I believe the only real value to this sort of
tagging is the hope that given the choice of two bikes, one with and
one without Datatag / chain / whatever, they nick the other one.

On it's own I don't think it makes much difference.

T i m

p.s. Stepdaughter just had her car broken into and 1) the Police
turned up that day and dusted it for prints and 2) turned up again the
next day to continue their investigations. We think the 'reason' they
bothered so was because someone spotted the thief running away (the
alarm went off) so there is some evidence linking crime to scrote (so
worth following up).

 

You get some odd developments sometime. The Doctor had her handbag
nicked in McDonalds (kids' birthday party) some years ago. She had it
hanging on the back of the chair, and somebody just lifted it.

She reported it stolen, cancelled the CCs, the usual, and that was it.

Anyway, more than a year later, Plod got in touch and were *highly*
interested in it. Turned out they'd nicked some drugs dealer or
smuggler, and lo and behold, he had some of her possessions still on
him. So they wanted to know more, because it seems that might put this
bod in a certain place at a certain time, for whatever reason.

 

My ZXR400 was datatagged and clearly marked as such.

It vanished within 6 months of my moving to Chiswick.

At least as late as 2005 it was fitted to Suzukis at new. My 05 SV had
it, as does my 04 GSXR.

 

Hers was nicked out of her shopping trolley using a distraction
technique. 'He' asked her about cooking a joint of meat while his
other half lifted her bag from the trolley (were the handle was fairly
well wrapped to resist it being 'grabbed').

Mine didn't spot it had gone till she arrived at the checkout and in
the mean time the skum we having a little spend up in Curries. The
bank later insisted that it was her signature on the transactions but
she was in the store managers office talking to the Police on the
phone at the time!

Sweet. And I guess that's the sorta hope with things like Datatag.
Scrote get's his lockup turned over and the Datatag evidence is enough
to suggest that it's not all above board? Doesn't stop it getting
nicked in the first place of course but might keep him off the streets
for a couple of years when he get's caught.

Wasn't that supposed to have happened with a bloke finding (and
keeping) a fancy watch near a supermarket checkout and he later sent
it in for repair. He was pinned down to the point by his Loyalty or
credit card. ;-)

The good thing for my Mrs was she actually got her bag back the same
day (minus the cash of course). They had dumped it in the kerb outside
the Police station?

Cheers, T i m

 

4ax.com:

your best bet is to go along to a local Bikesafe event held by traffic
plod. They will be happening all over the country in the next couple of
months. If the plod present don't have a clue about Datatag then you can
assume the system is redundant.
http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/ will tell you where your local events are.

 

Good idea.

They are doing one in Hoddesdon (Herts) soon so that could be handy.

The show in Hendon isn't far for us either and as I was the resident
DJ for the cadets there for a couple of years should get there in my
sleep (not a safe way to ride of course). ;-)

Thanks again for the heads-up.

T i m