smoking bad for your health...

Picture a hammer thrower technique. I think that's the sort of
leverage/action Smee is referring to.

Nev..
DL1000K8

 

George has christmas in his shed.

Nev..
DL1000K8

 

Fucking snooping arseholes
Stay away frm my shed

 

Thanks Nev, that's the sort of thing I had in mind exactly.
Always pull to the side never towards you, hammer throw style.
It would also actually hurt the helmet wearer from the wrenching and
disorient them.

 

So, instead of stepping forwards or backwards, the guy in the helmet now
has to step to the side; he still has two free fists with which to work
you over...

If you think you can grab a helmet chinbar and twist longitudinally, as
if you were tweaking the volume knob on a really big guitar amp, you're
kidding yourself. Neck muscles vs forearm muscles; what's going to win?

If your idea is to grab and wrench to the side, hammer-throw style, HTF
is that supposed to work against an opponent who so much as plants their
feet, at *arm's*length*?

Grabbing someone by the chinbar would be no different to grabbing them
by the face, or hair, or ear; the grab doesn't incapacitate, the only
purpose of it would be to hold the head steady so the other hand can
deliver a strike to a stationary target. If they're wearing a helmet
protecting their head, your options are to strike at the throat or the
clavicle.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:43:05 +1100

It's a matter of timing and angle. If the pull is diagonally off the line
of the two feet the wearer can compensate but how and when is the key.
If they know it's coming they can roll with it if they are quick enough
with the feet, but if they don't then there's a very good chance they
have to stop what they are thinking/doing and think about feet and
balance.

If they've practiced that kind of balance change (say doing Tai Chi sticky
hands) then it won't be a problem but if they haven't then it will give
the attacker someone a bit off balance and with their train of thought,
their approach, derailed too. Don't underestimate that.

An experienced fighter will recover fairly quickly an inexperienced
one won't. An experienced attacker will not just pull the helmet
anyway, they'll use it as the start of a strong attack on the balance
by attacking the back[1] of the weight bearing knee for example. The
beat of time gained by the unexpected move and the wearer having to
deal with it gives them the time for the kick or leg push to the knee
and whatever the follow up to that is.

THat's what I'd do the move for anyway.

Mind you, no sensible person starts a fight on their own. If you want to
deal with someone, then you do it with better odds. Take the attention
with the pull on the helmet and continue to take it with more attacks
of any kind. Put them on the defensive, make them respond to you.
THis gives your partner the easy job of taking them down from the
other side. A solid blow or thrust to the kidneys with a solid bar,
a solid bar across the throat from behind, that sort of thing.

Or just knife the guy. Messier but less work.

Zebee

[1] of if nastier, the side. The back will being them down more
quickly, the side will give more damage.

 

Angels, dancing, pinheads...


Onya bike...

Gerry

 

I can see an interesting "experiment" coming up at the Supers.

Moike

 

Good to see that "Pedants'r'us" are still in business. I guess an
appropriate comma wouldn't have gone astray, though.