Snow......A public information announcement

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Jon B, Feb 20, 2005.

  1. Jon B

    Jon B Guest

    Snow and me and the bike do not mix. That was a scary ride home

    MRO# - cant remember

    TDM850 - Gone
    GSXR750 - Waaaaaaah, flash flash, bugger, burble burble
    Jon B, Feb 20, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    You want scary? Do it on a Guzzi.

    I normally 'like very much' the linked brakes but downhill on packed snow
    with compulsory front brake applications is a bit too much for my nerves.

    I didn't fall off so they can't be that bad.
    sweller, Feb 20, 2005
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    Dave Emerson Guest

    My friend Ted was killed by the linked brakes on his Guzzi.

    Overtaking a queue of stationary traffic on a wet/greasy road, doing about
    20 mph,
    he went to pull in as oncoming traffic cleared the lights and started to
    come towards him,
    found a false neutral on the downshift (common on the T3),
    gave it a bit more (rear) brake to compensate for loss of engine braking,
    linked system locked the front wheel, which tucked under and spate him off
    the rh side,
    the first vehicle coming the other way was a cement mixer,
    the driver couldn't stop and went right over him, between the wheels,
    Ted was uninjured by the truck but died instantly from a broken neck on
    impact with the road,
    the truck driver (also a biker) had to be treated for shock.

    I took Ted's gf to the morge and ended-up having to ID his body as she
    couldn't face it.

    Coroner's report sited the linked brakes as the major contributary factor in
    the accident.

    It was enough to convince me not to change my VFR750FR for a VFR800...
    Dave Emerson, Feb 20, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    He wasn't killed by the linked brakes.

    I take it he hadn't had it long? I don't get false neutrals on
    downshifts (although platy did when he rode mine).

    To lock the front using the footbrake you need to fucking stamp on the
    foot brake or the proportional balance valve is defective.

    So it's down to rider skills (inappropriate actions in the conditions) or
    defective equipment - neither are down to the linked brakes.

    I don't believe this, although having quite extensive experience of
    Coroners Courts they do try to soften the blow as it were.

    It's easier to say the brakes contributed to the crash rather than the
    riders lack of experience and skill but if he did I'd be *very*
    interested in the exact wording of his statement.

    Different kettles of linked brake fish to the Guzzi.
    sweller, Feb 20, 2005
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    JB Guest

    As Sweller said, new to Guzzis and used to Jap gearbox perhaps?
    <amazed> I despatched in London on my Spada for about 2 months when my Yam
    was off the road. I *never* locked the wheels using the linked system. I did
    however lock the front just using the front lever grabbed without thinking.
    Brembos are bloody good.
    Different system design totally.

    JB, Feb 20, 2005
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    Dave Emerson Guest

    Mainly came from the truck driver and an off-duty copper in the queue of
    traffic, both experienced bikers.
    Dave Emerson, Feb 20, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    Shame your mate wasn't.
    sweller, Feb 20, 2005
  8. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Must've interrogated the corpse.



    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 20, 2005
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    platypus Guest

    I got a couple of false neutrals changing down for corners because I wasn't
    kicking it hard enough. Took me about 30 seconds to recalibrate, after that
    it was fine.
    platypus, Feb 20, 2005
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    darsy Guest

    rubbish. No problem riding on snow. Until it's compacted, that
    is...riding on *ice*, now, there's a problem.
    darsy, Feb 21, 2005
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