[QUOTE="The"] I've just got home after four hours (OK on the M25: getting into London was a nightmare, as they'd closed the M25/A217 exit at J8 and *everything* was going off at the M23. Anyway, in Wallington the roads were like glass and I was going *very* gently, and wondering at all the sheep driving slowly too, but *right up each other's arses*. Sure enough, right in front of me: he gently sailed into the back of the car in front, and they both got out, leaving the cars in situ, to have a fucking argument. I'd have run them both over.[/QUOTE] Trust you were on the TS250!