So - did I or did I not get my knee down?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Doesnotcompute, May 16, 2004.

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    After watching the bike racing on the tellybox this afternoon, I met up
    with Molly for some biking fun in the sunshine.

    Goal of the day, was to scuff my rather shiny unscuffed knee sliders.
    Preferably whilst they were attached to my keens and in a controlled
    manner - ie not followed by any other part of my body.

    After some technical issues with radio setup, we decided we didn't need
    radios anyway and got on with it. Some road riding and large roundabout
    lapping ensued, to get the tyres warm and for Molly to get an idea of my
    riding style.

    Met up with some power rangers stopped beneath a motorway roundabout,
    who were a little sheepish when Molly had lapped the roundabout half a
    dozen times, knee down all the way, on the GS500 and then asked if any
    of them could on their very shiny sprot bikes. Not one had any scuffs.
    Oh and some twat on a zx9r decided to pull out on me and then pass Molly
    on the inside, obviously his knee down needs were more important than
    anyone elses. Or any kind of common sense safety.

    On we then go for some twisty road action, to get me further used to
    hanging off the bike in positions that seem like very advanced yoga :)

    Then a 100 yard stretch of road seperated by two medium sized
    roundabouts, perfect for looping and lapping and lapping etc.

    So at the start of the day, my knee was closer to the tank than the
    floor. By now, I was hanging off the bike, I'd got my knee stuck out,
    and I'd got the bike leaning over futher than I've ever dared
    previously. Chicken strips on 3 week old rear tyre are now less than a
    quarter of an inch.

    So - Did I get my knee down? [1]

    Thanks to Molly for a fun afternoon, you're very patient and have a good
    ability to describe what is happening, versus what should be happening
    and how that should be achieved - making a good tutor, I thoroughly
    recommend you to anyone who seeks a helping hand in such matters.

    Oh and I wish I could have seen your face when you verticalled the bandit ;)

    [1] Photo's to follow.
     
    Doesnotcompute, May 16, 2004
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    Molly Guest

    And it was jolly good fun.
    To be fair he refused the offer of swapping kneesliders.
    It's a shame that those connectors decided not to connect.
    scuffs.

    Bless them, they were a little upset when I waved to them on a couple
    of laps. They were OK though a little shocked but OK.
    What an arsehole, he didn't have a clue. I had backed off because the
    car in front was undecided but I think he was upset because they were
    no where near getting the kneedown.
    :)

    The key to GYK is body movement, as you can see from some shots my
    bike wasn't leaning over *that* much.[1]
    To be honest, the photo's don't do you justice, you were certainly
    brushing the gravel aside.
    Aw shuck DNC you're making me blush. I really enjoyed myself, anytime.
    bandit ;)

    The power came on a bit sudden and I was left hanging from the bars.
    It was almost vertical and I nearly flipped it.
    http://www.jedi--knight.com/gowerschool/gowerschool.htm


    [1] In some of the shots
     
    Molly, May 17, 2004
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    dwb Guest

    Need to learn to lean your bike me thinks :)

    Whereas I need to learn how to lean the bike less and hang off. [1]

    [1] or get a back/leathers/brain that work.
     
    dwb, May 17, 2004
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    Molly Guest

    He was actually scratching his pegs at one point.
    You really frustrated me because all you had to do was stick out your
    knee and you would certainly have touched down. If anything you were
    leaning too much.
     
    Molly, May 17, 2004
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    dwb Guest

    Frustrated you? How do you think I felt? :)

    <goes back to studying Superbike DVD>
     
    dwb, May 17, 2004
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    dwb Guest

    I'm just sticking with the notion that it's harder to do on a GSX-R then a
    bike like a Bandit ;-)
     
    dwb, May 17, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    Higher pegs do make KD harder.
     
    Champ, May 17, 2004
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    darsy Guest

    than a bandit? Very much so. I used to scrape the pegs all the time on
    my bandit, especially two up[1] but I've only ever done it once[2] on
    the 'blade.


    [1] though two-up, the centrestand tended to touch down first.
    [2] I wasn't hanging off enough.
     
    darsy, May 17, 2004
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    mups Guest

    Doesnotcompute says...
    Quite a bit unless your bandit's got rearsets.
     
    mups, May 17, 2004
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    Ben Guest

    Which is weird because I could never do it on the SV an yet found the
    GSXRs pretty easy.
     
    Ben, May 17, 2004
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    Molly Guest

    Actually it's harder for me on a Bandit than my gixxer. Strangely
    enough the easiest bike for me to get my kneedown on was my old ZXR750
    and that had rear sets, set on the highest setting. I'm fairly sure
    that the ease of kneedown was due to the superb stability of the front
    end. My Triumph is quite low but it's not easy to get my kneedown with
    scuffing the exhausts. I really have to hang right off.
     
    Molly, May 17, 2004
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    Molly Guest

    I don't know how you feel about this Champ but I've found that it's
    not about just peg height, lean angle, clearance and hanging off. But
    also a combination of front end stability, smooth throttle control and
    the way the power is delivered. I find that some bikes require a
    different approach to reach that fine balance point where you can push
    the bike upright just with a twitch of the knee. The technique is
    basically the same for all bikes but the execution is, in my opinion,
    different.
     
    Molly, May 17, 2004
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    Molly Guest

    Remember? You swivel your foot so the toes point downwards. Saying
    that, I'm quit guilty of scrapping my toes as well, especially when I
    had the nice slide on the gravel where the PR's were.
     
    Molly, May 17, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    I don't think I've thought about it that hard - I just get on and ride
    it :)
     
    Champ, May 17, 2004
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    Molly Guest


    Fair point.
     
    Molly, May 17, 2004
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    Christofire Guest

    Conversely I was more than happy on the SV, and getting there with the
    daytona. I tried it with Flook's R6 and almost got cramp in my leg.

    I can't remember trying it on any other sporty bike, but I've found it
    easier on non-sports machinery (SV, ZZR6).

    The worst was Monz' TL. Didn't like doing that one at all.
     
    Christofire, May 17, 2004
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