So you can be jailed for being a passenger

To which he pleaded guilty.

It could. I'd be worried if I were you.

Thankfully I'm neither you nor worried.

 

Istr he was racing, but he'd actually stopped doing so and had fallen
back a considerable way. After that point, he wasn't responsible for the
actions of the car driver, imo.

True - I suspect it was a pragmatic decision on his part to plead
guilty, if he was being advised to do so by a hack lawyer. A good brief
could have pointed out the inconsistencies and incongruities to the
court, I'm sure.

If the car driver had survived, I'm fairly sure Knights would have got
off much more lightly - sometimes it seems the courts are only out to
exact their pound of flesh, regardless of real guilt.

 

I suspect this sentence is rather important...
"A man, 18, and two women, aged 20 and 16, were questioned on suspicion
of perverting the course of justice. "

In other words, they know ONE of the fuckers was driving, but not who -
yet - and everybody's lying through their teeth about it.

 

If that could be applied to 1988 and a fair chunk of 1989 I'd be all
in favour.

 

But that makes the assumption she WAS going to drive dangerously. Even stone
cold sober, he probably isn't a mind reader. What he should've done was
wrestle the wheel from her and lob it out of the window while pulling
strongly on the handbrake.


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No. I'm saying they can't have it both ways. He can't be responsible for
someone elses actions if he's not capable of making decisions and if he's
too drunk to drive, he's too drunnk to make decisions, so his conviction for
letting her drive is bollocks. Not that I gaf either way, but he was fucked
no matter what he did (or didn't) do.

I prefer the person who IS responsible (for whatever shit they caused) to
carry the responsibility.

If you got on a bus and decided the driver is driving dangerously, what
would you do about it? Stop him driving and if so, how?


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More than likely not as the "Death by" is the serious one and the one the
courts would focus on.

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So it's not a matter of breaking th law, but how FAR one breaks it?

The courts aren't on the bus. Or in the car, so although they hand out
penalties, I really don't think they're making the laws and one must break a
law before one can be prosecuted for ... well, breaking the law.

It's all the same argument, just the degrees have changed. As someone said
(maybe you) thin end of wedges".

I can point out that I got fined and had an endorsement stuck in my
license - even before I HAD a fucking klicense - back in 1964 for "Aiding
and abetting a "driver" to ride a motorcycle combination without "L" plates.
(Sunbeam 500 outfit it was, being pushed because it wouldn't run after the
camshaft had been installed 180 degrees out of plonker)


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Interesting logic. Someone who is drunk certainly shouldn't be making
important decisions. Henri Paul springs immediately to mind. Slightly
different relationship in this case, but as a thought experiment imagine
that he hadn't driven the car himself that fateful might but given the
keys to an equally compromised by alcohol driver in his employ and told
him to drive.

For a start, I wouldn't have personally given the driver the keys to a
bus I owned and asked him to drive would I ?

Call the bus operator and the police (if I had a mobile phone with me)
and get off at the next stop, whilst advising all other passengers to
follow my example. Almost certainly ineffective, but it might just
reduce the potential casualty numbers.



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The courts decide on the basis of the facts before them whether a
statute written by a parliamentary draftsman has been contravened. If it
was all totally cut and dried there would be no need for an appeal
process, and no books full of legal precedents that may subsequently
overturned.

I covered the learner scenario in another post.

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If they were driving MY car I'd feel entirely justified and would
expect them to respect my desires wrt to their driving. In their own
car they can do what the hell they like, but not in mine.
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There's still a lot we don't know about this specific case. He could
even have been sitting there going "FFS, women, is that the fastest
you can go? Put your foot down you stupid twat or we'll be even later
than we are".

 

Not unless you'd engaged reverse first.

 

That's a bit gash. Mind, I suppose it's been downhill since they stopped
making the old 900s.

 

If you had world enough and time[1], you could read learn and inwardly
digest[2] this:
BEWARE LARGE PDF
http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/docs/lc300.pdf
from:
http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/assisting_crime.htm


[1] With acknowledgements to Andrew Marvel.
[2] In remembrance of my old English teacher in 'Remove'
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I'm sure a way will be found to charge and punish him, especially if it
means he can be fined.

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I'll have a stab at it being a Volkswagen Passat.

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Not really, in fact not at all. You wouldn't be able to brake effectively
many times, but you'd certainly be able to bring the car to a stop once with
NO problem. Think about it... If the engine stops for ANY reason, the
manufacturers wouldn't get away with making a car which couldn't be brough
to a halt safely and under full control.


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I can't see how that would make any difference. She may not have asked for
them, but she TOOK them and that (for me) seems to be an acceptance of
responsibility.

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Here we go again. You're worse than a fucking school teacher with bollocks
all to do.


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