So you can be jailed for being a passenger

He'd have probably argued that the other driver wasn't in HIS employ, but in
the employ of the person who Henri Paul himself worked for. He could also
argue that he knew he himself was too drunk to drive, but wasn't qualified
to judge whether someone else (antoehr driver) was. As he's not an "expert"
in the the world of "driving impairment due to intoxication", I suspect he'd
have a solid asrgument too.

I didn't realize that responsibility for dangerous driving was/is linked to
vehicle ownership.

Why bother if it's got **** all to do with you and you're not responsible
for his/her driving. If you're not responsible for that, you're not
responsible for looking after the well being of the other passengers.

Think of the children?


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Be that as it may, what's been pointed out recently is that as this bloke
was charged because he owned the car. Presumably that means that if he
DIDN'T own the car, he wouldn't have been charged with causing death. In my
case, I neither owned the bike or even had a license (not old enough to hold
a license) yet I was convicted of aiding and abetting someone to drive.

I'll end with this... No matter WHO's right or who's wrong, you're fucked,
because that's the way things are now for ANYONE who has the audacity to use
their own powered transport.

I'm old and cynical, but these sorts of cases aren't about justice, they're
about criminalising anyone who doesn't ride the bus or train and anyone who
should even THINK about having a good time. Unless they're in government or
the police, then you can get away with murder and laugh about it.

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He could try that, but as chief of security or whatever I don't think
the first part of that get out would wash if the nominated driver was a
subordinate. The second point is valid, but just extends the argument
over whether the car owner in the original case could know if the
eventually driver was fit to drive. In some cases it wouldn't take an
expert to know that. As always it comes down to the specific facts.

I was thinking more about the practicalities of whether the driver would
heed any request to moderate their driving. If I was, say, a bus
inspector for the operator or PTE he might listen to what I said.

As in your scenario I am actually travelling on the bus, I might well
bother to avoid being injured. I'm not responsible for the others but
you may have noticed that I don't subscribe to the sometimes seemingly
pervading UKRM I'm all right Jack **** the rest of you philosophy.

Oddly, in some situations, I do, so FRO if you don't like it.


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Can you show me the part of the report, ideally in due course the full
legal transcript, that says the only reason he was prosecuted is because
he owned the car?

You may be right there.

Oh dear. Still, you and I will probably be dead before they come to
confiscate our big boys toys won't we.


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How on earth does that work - limit speed in the middle of a dodgy
overtake?

 

Ooh. Bedtime reading.

 

You are as sad as me. In my case it comes from years spent trying to
comprehend the precise legal effect of section X, para y, subsection z
of the Ways and Means Act.
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Or he may just have a huge chip on his shoulder.

 

I say, steady on!

 

If anyone in the passenger seat of my car tries to stop me driving
dangerously, they'll have their work cut out. But, yes, I do that too.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus

"Scream if you wanna go faster!"

 

OK, Mr Murray.

 

Er... this happened to me in the summer. I was told to "slow down", so
naturally 70 became 90 (empty rural French roads.)

Of course, equally predicatably, empty became "patrolled" and I got
pulled over and fined 90 Euros.

 

The sudden loss of power steering is a bit of a shitter if you're not
expecting it, I can tell you. I'd think many might be really caught out
by it, to the extent of it being bloody dangerous in some cases.

 

That's OK - I can imagine it. I've had a Citroen XM..

Phil

 

I can imagine it too, having lost power steering on a heavy car.
Above about 30mph you don't notice it's gone.
Lack of braking is a different matter....

 

<nods>

Though I still want a 9-5 Aero.

 

It's not a precedent - you can get points and a fine whilst a passenger
and have been able to do for as long as I've held a licence (1985),
where's the material difference?

 

Add in the suspension for the Citroen BX...

 

I'd be pissed if I did that, so it'd make no diff

IMO, not a lot, which is another reason I think chummy got the thick end of
a raw deal.

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