[QUOTE="Pip"] I think you'd better look up the term 'entry level'. From VW UK's figures, the actual entry level model, the Golf S retails at just over 12k. The bottom line GTi, OTOH, would rush you for just over 20k. They're all based on the same floorpan obviously, but trim levels, engine output, wheels, paint etc are all marked up on the GTi over the S. Would you like to try again? [/QUOTE] The current GTi with 200bhp goes some way to mend the damage done to the GTi image by the 115 bhp Mk3 and while £20k isn't entry level in motoring terms generally, it is entry level in terms of proper sports cars. The SV650 likewise isn't an entry level bike in motorcycling terms as there are many smaller, cheaper models available, but it is often considered an entry level 'proper' bike. Interestingly, the Golf is about 20% of the price of a super car whereas the SV is about 50% of the price of a superbike.