Son skittled (again)

A few days ago - going up the outside of a line of traffic, she was in
the queue, turned right, oops. Speed 5-10mph, Benly just bounced off the
side of the car, no damage to son or bike.

She demanded his details, saying he'd scratched her hire car (which
apparently he had). She then buggered off without giving any of her
details, and no, he didn't get the registration number. He was a bit
shaken up, as you can imagine.

Now Auntie Carole has been informed by (I suppose) the hire company, and
has asked for details.

The good no witnesses, his account differs from hers, her word
against his, and both he and car hirer are insured by the same company:
Equity Red Star. Which, says CN, is not going to sue itself for the
damage to the car. So it's 99% certain they'll drop it.

I imagine that the car hire firm doesn't GAF - they'll have docked her
deposit so the damage is paid for anyway.

Now - the fact that she didn't give her details (and we still don't know
them), says CN, "is a matter for the police".

Question: is it worth reporting her? Jamie won't make a claim against
her, but I can't help thinking she's tried to pull a fast one, and in
the unlikely event she tries a ciil action herself, it would be useful
ammo.

Thoughts?

 

As her account differs from his I would say you should report it to
plod, as this could strengthen his case against not losing his NCD when
the blame has been apportioned.

Is there absolutely no damage you could try a claim for?
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"The Older Gentleman" <> schreef in
bericht

No harm in reporting it to the police. At least Jamie will have an official
account of what he thinks happened.

 

Well of course, my opinion counts for nowt, but purely because i) she
broke the law and ii) she fucked off and left a young bloke shaken and
possibly hurt (did she bother to ask if he was all right?), I'd say yes:
hit the fucking bitch square between the eyes.

My 0.02 EUR ...

D.

 

This happened to me years ago, when a truck driver changed lanes as I
was alongside, resulting in a brief and rather exciting introduction to
the armco of the central reservarion.

He pulled up, but refused to give me any of his details, so I took down
the reg and the haulage company details and reported it at the local
copshop on the way home. Whilst the CPS took no action, I do believe a
nice traffic sgt. put a rocket up his arse - they don't like it when
people leave the scene without passing on details.

I can't prove it, but suspect the trucker was driving off tacho at the
time, hence his unwillingness to pass on any details.

 

Do it. Soon. I ended up in a spot of bother with the ACT police
for not reporting a minor accident after the other party (who had
barrelled across my path out of a car-park entrance opposite a T junction;
I swerved but my pillion peg just caught his front wheel and had him off)
decided to report it after he found he was more badly injured than first
thought.

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Yes, of course it's worth reporting her. She pissed off from an RTA with
someone who might have been injured, and didn't pass any details on. Whilst
I doubt she'll be prosecuted it's a fair bet that a PC will visit and at
least have words with her, maybe, perhaps.

Are you sure the exhaust [1] isn't scratched [2].

[1] For instance, but it could be any other potentially crash damaged or
hard to find, made of unobtanium [3] parts.
[2] Dented, cracked, otherwise broken.
[3] Honda Benly, is *anything* unobtanium on them?

 

message

Technically speaking, having failed to give her details at the time, she had
a legal obligation to report the accident to the police (RTA 1988 sect 170).
As your son gave his details at the time he does not need to.

Under the circumstances I can't see much point in bothering to report it.

 

That's only an issue where someone is injured.

 

According to CN, it's highly likely they won't apportion blame. It's
just one person's version against another's, and it's the same insco on
both sides. And the car hire company isn't going to lose out.

Ermmmm... slightly bent footpeg, kicked straight again. That was it.

 

It's, how shall we put it, pre-distressed. Not scratched, just a bit
rusty.

Nah. This is a Benly that cost £200 with tax and ticket. Filling the
tank adds 5% to the value.

New: tinware. Used, nothing. Dave Silver even does new pattern exhausts
for £30 a side.

 

More likely they'll go 50/50 and both parties lose NCD.

Could be worth a pre-emtive uninsured loss claim.

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1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr

BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7)
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Then again, there's the law and there's reality. Would it do any harm in
reporting?

 

The Older Gentleman wrote:

You need a new son, this one isn't going to last much longer!

I'd report it, its always nice to have a police report even if 99% of
the time its not worth the paper it's written on.

 

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:38:04 +0100,

If anyone is injured in an RTA (which will pretty much always happen
when a motorcycle is involved) it's a legal requirement to report it
to the police.

<http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/24.htm#261>

261: If another person is injured and you do not produce your
insurance certificate at the time of the accident to a police officer
or to anyone having reasonable grounds to request it, you MUST

o) report the accident to the police as soon as possible and in any
case within 24 hours
o) produce your insurance certificate for the police within seven
days.
Law RTA 1988 sect 170

I suggest he goes to the local police station with more documents than
required and at least log it.

She has failed to satisy section 261 as your son is the 'another
person is injured' and she failed to produce her ins docs at the
scene. Well, she didn't even give her name, to be honest.

As Auntie Carole know about it already I'd suggest that it at least
gets logged so that your son can get his 2p's worth on file.

 

<willy-waving mode ON>
I crashed before I even had my iLicence.

D.

 

It took me a fair few months before I crashed, but I made up for it by
crashing twice in one day

(I'm not counting forgetting which way the clutch went during CBT in
this, btw)

 

Yup, better safe than sorry and it'll only cost you a couple of hours down
the nick.

 

Does she?

 

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I'd report the incident to the police and inform them of her actions.
It's up to them what they do about it but it would make me feel better
about her trying to stitch me up.