Speed camera loophole

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  1. Mr X

    Mr X Guest

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    March 1 2006

    Speed camera loophole

    Nearly all speed camera prosecutions are based on inadmissible evidence
    and can therefore be thrown out, according to an exclusive report in MCN
    - out on March 1.

    It's because defendants aren't given evidence on time. By not
    providing a photo or video evidence at least seven days before a trial,
    camera partnerships breach the 1967 Criminal Justice Act.

    MCN News Editor Tony Carter said: "We contacted each of the three
    biggest camera partnerships and they all said evidence isn't
    automatically submitted.

    "The problem for most people accused of speeding is they won't realise
    that this fact of law - which our investigation has uncovered - can
    render the evidence inadmissible in court. People need to be aware of
    their rights."

    For the full and exclusive story see MCN out on Wednesday March 1.
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    From the Metro:

    "Top traffic lawyer Nick Freeman, who successfully defended David
    Beckham, Ronnie O'Sullivan and Sir Alex Ferguson, said: 'Most of the
    prosecuting authorities go to court without producing the photo and so
    there's no admissible evidence as to what the speed is'"
     
    Mr X, Mar 1, 2006
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  2. Mr X

    Vass Guest

    "Mr X" wrote >
    Shouldn't that be April 1st ?
     
    Vass, Mar 1, 2006
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    Dan White Guest

    The problem is that being published in MCN automatically makes it bollocks.
    Being published "exclusively" in MCN means that it's such *utter* bollocks
    that nobody else could bring themselves to run it.
     
    Dan White, Mar 1, 2006
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  4. Mr X

    Roadhog Guest


    It's quite obvious why they connive. The magistrates' courts are part of
    the so-called "safety camera partnerships", i.e. they receive money from
    the schemes.

    This is a flagrant breach of Article 6 of the European Convention on
    Human Rights (the right to a fair trial) and is being challenged.
     
    Roadhog, Mar 1, 2006
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    dwb Guest

    So what happens when it's run in other papers saying it was in MCN?

    Does that make it less or more valid?
     
    dwb, Mar 1, 2006
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  6. Mr X

    Dan White Guest

    It's either:
    1) April 1st, or
    2) The headline reads something like, "MCN plagiarise internet newsgroup and
    print utter bollocks in sting operation".

    :)



    FU's reset BTW
     
    Dan White, Mar 1, 2006
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  7. Mr X

    dwb Guest

    Eh?
     
    dwb, Mar 1, 2006
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  8. Mr X

    Dan White Guest

    Dunno what happened, but when I tried to reply it was only set to follow up
    to uk.legal.


    Could be Outpuke Express at my end of course...
     
    Dan White, Mar 1, 2006
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  9. Mr X

    dwb Guest

    Ah I didn't notice.

    Posting to UKL - I feel dirty now.
     
    dwb, Mar 1, 2006
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    Mark Hewitt Guest

    Follow up's reset, by the way.
     
    Mark Hewitt, Mar 1, 2006
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  11. Mr X

    Mr X Guest

    The London Metro newspaper are running it today -- Top of Page 8, column
    5 -- No web site so I went to the MCN website. It may well be in other
    newspapers was well..
     
    Mr X, Mar 1, 2006
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  12. Mr X

    Mr X Guest

    LOL I did check the date when I first read it.
     
    Mr X, Mar 1, 2006
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    Cab Guest

    I think that is what it was...
     
    Cab, Mar 1, 2006
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  14. Mr X

    Steve Walker Guest

    Strictly speaking, the volunteer JP's don't have any sight of or need for
    the Scamera Bonus - it's just more unpaid work for them.

    But.... they may nonetheless be drawn into the issue, eg by a veiled
    reminder that it's been factored into next year's budget (and that losing it
    would mean the cancellation of refurbishment X or redundancy of employee Y).
    This could be quite persuasive, I imagine.
     
    Steve Walker, Mar 1, 2006
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    dwb Guest

    But have you considered getting some glasses? :)
     
    dwb, Mar 1, 2006
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  16. Mr X

    Mr X Guest

    So what conclusion does that lead you to, Alan?
     
    Mr X, Mar 1, 2006
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  17. Mr X

    Buzby Guest

    Speed camera loophole
    Yeh right. My old man got nicked and asked.

    He got a very fine photo which looked like he was in a 4 wheel drift (he
    wasn't - only going 37 but a great camera angle) along with chapter and
    verse on the calibration. He decided it was time to pay up and shut up.
     
    Buzby, Mar 1, 2006
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  18. Mr X

    'Hog Guest

    Some you win some you loose. 7 times is a pretty impressive total and
    beats me hands down. It is *always* worth playing a few simple angles
    though.

    Naturally having a velcro numberplate with a couple of wrong digits or a
    substantial chunk missing will be a superior option, the latter being
    considerably safer but involving rather more frequent tugging. Getting
    the former wrong will make a mere speeding ticket look benign.
     
    'Hog, Mar 1, 2006
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  19. More foolproof is the velcro plate bearing a registration number of the
    same make, model and colour of your car.
     
    Clark Spyendchipz, Mar 1, 2006
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  20. In uk.rec.motorcycles, Clark Spyendchipz belched forth and ejected the
    following:
    Paging BGN but I don't see how putting a different vehicle's plate on
    your bike is any more "foolproof"[1] than complete falsies.

    [1] Fool*ish* more like. You'd be better off having no plate at all!
     
    Whinging Courier, Mar 1, 2006
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