Split Lanes, Car its you, its your fault?

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Janik Colby, Feb 20, 2004.

  1. Janik Colby

    Janik Colby Guest

    A while ago I ran into a van while splitting lanes. Traffic was totally
    stopped and was bumper to bumper. As I was cruising along at about 10-15 mph
    a dipshit bitch pulls her minivan over toward the next lane. She really had
    no where to go since there was a car there. She pulls this maneuver as I'm
    next to the rear of the van. Due to the way my bike was hit and how it
    landed it was totaled by my insurance company. I didn't get too hurt so
    there were no medical bills beyond the co-pay at the ER. After I filed a
    claim with her insurance company it was rejected because I was passing
    illegally. She filed a claim with my insurance and now there's an at fault
    accident on my record. No lawyer will take my case since its too small so
    I'm screwed.

    Is it really the truth that any accident that happens while splitting lanes
    is the motorcycle rider's fault?
     
    Janik Colby, Feb 20, 2004
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  2. No.
    But it is going to be hard to prove you weren't at fault. Is there a
    police report? If not, I don't see how an insurance company can decide
    whose fault it is. Likely, a police report would find you at fault for
    riding too fast for the conditions, and the minivan for an unsafe lane
    change. The other problem could be where you hit the minivan. If you
    rear-ended it, it's going to be difficult to prove you didn't contribute
    to the accident. If she hit you, damaging the side of the minivan, I'd
    think you'd stand a good chance to show she was at fault.
     
    Charles Stembridge, Feb 20, 2004
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  3. Janik Colby

    muddycat Guest

    As you describe the accident, yes. This is your fault. It would have
    been her fault only if you were in another lane and she crossed over the
    lane marker line and you hit her.

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    muddycat, Feb 20, 2004
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  4. Yes... if I touch another vehicle while lane splitting it's 100% my
    fault...

    Janik... I would be thankful you're still with the living... I would
    hold this thought during future events... We should anticipate that our
    paths will never be cleared and might be fouled by any vehicle at any
    time...

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    Larry xlax Lovisone, Feb 21, 2004
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    notbob Guest

    Yet, I have no doubt that if the hitee were a cyclist, the cager would be at
    fault.

    nb
     
    notbob, Feb 21, 2004
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  6. While this is how the CHP nearly always rules, it isn't true.

    Motorists still have an obligation to drive within their lane, and to signal
    their turns. And in at least a few times out there, I know the cager saw me
    first. Without a proper witness (like a chippie behind me), there's no
    way to prove it, but without a doubt it isn't close to 100% my fault.

    It's a disgrace that now even the cops aren't signalling much of the time.

    The turning technique described in this accident is one that every lane splitter
    needs to bear in mind. A certain percentage of cagers have found that if they
    just stick their nose into the next lane, eventually they'll get in. Don't assume
    that cars won't start a lane change just because there is a car/suv/semi in the way.
    And don't assume that a car switching lanes 100 yards in front of you will be
    done by the time you arrive.
     
    Jason O'Rourke, Feb 21, 2004
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  7. I've been in two accidents in my driving career. The police weren't
    involved either time.

    Both times the insurance companies assigned varying degrees of fault. The
    first one was 50/50 and the second was 100 percent.

    I don't know they determine this. This is only used in determining which
    companies pay for what.
     
    Charlie Durand, Feb 24, 2004
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  8. Thanks, I didn't realize that.
     
    Charles Stembridge, Feb 24, 2004
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  9. Janik Colby

    John Beck Guest

    It is not always 100% the biker's fault. A buddy was splitting lanes
    going up hwy 17 to Santa Cruz on July 4th a few years back and some
    wing-nut opened his car door (well, the -passenger opened his door). My
    buddy ran into it, causes $10K to his beemer, and abotu the same to the
    car (doors don't take kindly to being hit from the inside). The police
    ruled it was 100% the car's fault for unsafely opening a door in traffic.

    That said, splitting lanes is not very safe (I admit that I do it, too)
    - and not too different than when cars "drift across" lanes. I am just
    glad that the biker wasn't hurt this time - bikes and insurance are
    cheaper than people.
     
    John Beck, Mar 5, 2004
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