Sports Touring? :-)

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by CrazyCam, Nov 13, 2007.

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    CrazyCam Guest

    CrazyCam, Nov 13, 2007
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  2. In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:05:08 +1100
    Ah, that one. Someone's been playing - the front mudguard's off an
    Eldo/GT so will be clouting the alternator, the rear mudguard and
    light's off something else, bars are off some Cali or other, I
    wouldn't pay that much for it.
    Oh, you haven't seen the cafe'd ones then?

    Tell ya what, if you ever get a weekend free for a ride we can go down
    to Bungendore and you can try Roper's. You'll find it can hoon quite
    well....

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 13, 2007
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  3. CrazyCam

    CrazyCam Guest

    OK, I know when/if I get serious about buying a Guzzi, I want you to
    come with me to look....regardless of how many Coopers Stout it costs me.
    Not really my thing....assuming cafe'd equals wee low bars or clip-ons.

    I expect I'll likely be more towards the cruiser image.... with a white
    leather jacket.
    Hooning is more an attitude of mind!

    I have been known to hoon on the Z50. (In my misspent middle age!)

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Nov 14, 2007
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    JL Guest

    Aprilia are about to release an automatic middleweight sport-tourer,
    IIRC it's an 850. I'm sure there's some piccys around it's been in and
    out of the mags for a year or so. I forget the name of it.

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 15, 2007
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    CrazyCam, Nov 15, 2007
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    CrazyCam, Nov 15, 2007
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    Moike Guest

    I know the auction has been ended early, but (a) does that look like any
    kind of QLD rego? and don't the vehicles in the background seem to be
    on the right (as against left) side of the road? all that and "Posts
    worldwide" makes me just a bit wary......

    Moike
     
    Moike, Nov 15, 2007
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  8. In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:01:58 +1100
    I believe the seller is someone who imports bikes and sells them.
    There are a couple of people do that with Guzzis.

    At least one bod on the Aigor list knows him.

    The pics are probably from the bike's original US home. It's a bitza
    anyway, I wouldn't buy it without being able to physically inspect.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 15, 2007
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    Knobdoodle Guest

    You can just imagine the boardroom discussion where some pinhead realised
    that auto-cars outsell manuals so what they needed to boost sales was an
    automatic bike!!
     
    Knobdoodle, Nov 16, 2007
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    JL Guest

    I dunno that it's that silly Clem, I'd never buy one (and nor would
    you by the sound) but I don't think the market is zero. I **DO**
    however think they're putting them on the wrong sort of bikes.

    I would have thought cruisers and hefty tourers would have been the
    ideal market for an auto tranny, not nakeds and certainly not sports
    bikes.

    If I was the sort of guy who bought an 1800cc 350Kg land yacht the
    ease of not having to worry about gears while wafting along would
    probably be quite appealing.

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 16, 2007
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    Theo Bekkers Guest

    Honda had a 750 auto a while ago, but I think only in the USA.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Nov 16, 2007
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    Knobdoodle Guest

    Agreed John.
    A Gold Wing auto would probably be quite appealing but I shudder at the
    thought of pitching a sportsbike into a downhill corner only to have it
    change gears unexpectedly!
     
    Knobdoodle, Nov 16, 2007
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  13. In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:59:48 GMT
    That's not the problem. The problem is that you can't control the
    revs easily.

    Normally you approach a corner and set revs with the gears, speed with
    the brakes, so you can accellerate through.

    To do that on an auto you have to keep the revs up while braking and
    get it right so that you have bite on the auto gearbox. (this not
    being a car box with gears but a scooter box with constant tranny)

    It's weird and not that easy to do.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 16, 2007
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    CrazyCam Guest

    Clem, you are a Neanderthal.... not that that's a bad thing. :)

    Worldwide, I am confident that two-wheeled powered vehicle either auto
    or semi-auto outsell all the traditional gearboxed bikes.

    I'd rather like to try the Aprilia thingy, with its push button
    "virtual" gears. I think it could be quite entertaining.

    The older style of Guzzi I-convert appeals to me, with a torquey V twin,
    as a lazy cruiser, but the more modern variable pulley belt drives, or
    the hydraulic drive of the Honda, may well be really neat technology and
    could well become the future "standard".

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Nov 16, 2007
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    CrazyCam Guest

    The push button thingy on the Aprilia should solve that, as would the
    similar option on the big Bergman.

    It is certainly hard to do the power on business on a scooter that
    doesn't have that much power in the first place, but, with a reasonable
    amount of power, wouldn't you just do the traditional, brake on
    approach, see where corner goes, turn into corner and nail the throttle?

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Nov 16, 2007
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  16. In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:24:50 +1100
    Admittedly the Runner was a 2 stroke, so torque was not its strong
    point, but it didn't lack power :)

    The problem was that if you rolled off then it took a while to roll
    back on because it was in too high a "gear".

    If you braked while keeping revs up then you had power on tap when you
    needed it.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 16, 2007
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    Theo Bekkers Guest

    The Burgman doesn't actually have a gearbox, so there is no 'lower gear' it
    can select halfway round a corner. I didn't find it a problem.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Nov 18, 2007
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    JL Guest

    You need to ride a CVT auto to compare. They do a much better job of
    being in the right ratio. The DNA has zero engine braking which means
    you have to use more rear brake than I otherwise would, but because
    the CVT keeps it at the torque peak it's always got what power it has
    available when you crack it.

    JL
    (still not a fan of autos though)
     
    JL, Nov 18, 2007
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    JL Guest

    Yeah CB750A but that was 80's IIRC. That and the Guzzi Convert of the
    late 70's are about it for autos AFAIK (unless you count the Boss
    Hog).

    The CVT autos suit a bike better than the "traditional" auto

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 18, 2007
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    Theo Bekkers Guest

    A disabled woman in Perth had a 750A for a long time, on an outfit, with a
    ride-on wheelchair. She rode it from the wheelchair. The Guzzi Convert isn't
    actually an auto, gears are changed manually.
    Agreed, the Burgman experience showed me that.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Nov 18, 2007
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