Spyball alarm question

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  1. Pip

    Pip Guest

    I'm having a problem with a bike that is fitted with a Spyball alarm.
    I'm not even sure what model it is, but let's assume that it is the
    Patriot. The alarm appears to be working, at least the bloody
    immobiliser side is - but it also appears to be erratic in operation:
    going off when it shouldn't, not going off when it should, that sort
    of thing. The LED indicating status isn't working either and hasn't
    for some time, apparently - this makes it difficult to tell whether
    the alarm is armed or not.

    The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

    What I'd like to do is to perform a hard reset. I'm thinking about
    disconnecting the bike battery, then pulling out the alarm's internal
    battery and leaving it to think about its behaviour for a while before
    reconnecting the batteries.

    The problem is that I have no information on the alarm, and neither
    does the owner of the bike. Spyball seem to have disappeared off the
    planet and all I can find through googling is complaints about alarm
    failures with no solutions.

    Does anybody have any info or instructions relevant to a Spyball?

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    Pip, Jan 21, 2007
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  2. Pip <> wrote:

    > The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    > installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    > loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.


    Given the fact that everyone else thinks it's crap, and that the firm
    doesn't seem to exist, I still think this is the wiser option. If it's
    gone wrong once, it'll go wrong again, and Sod's Law says that the next
    time will be at the most bloody inconvenient moment.

    Btw, the bike concerned isn't the Throttle Cable Harley, is it?


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    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2007
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  3. Pip

    Pip Guest

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:51:10 +0000,
    (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

    >Pip <> wrote:
    >
    >> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    >> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    >> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

    >
    >Given the fact that everyone else thinks it's crap, and that the firm
    >doesn't seem to exist, I still think this is the wiser option. If it's
    >gone wrong once, it'll go wrong again, and Sod's Law says that the next
    >time will be at the most bloody inconvenient moment.


    I know you're right, but I don't want to commit to this course of
    action precipitately. If someone can come up with some means of
    diagnosis I'd like to try resetting it first.

    Another awkwardness is that there's no documentation with the alarm,
    nor is there a manual or wiring diagram for the bike.
    >
    >Btw, the bike concerned isn't the Throttle Cable Harley, is it?


    <whistles, innocently>

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    Pip, Jan 21, 2007
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  4. Pip

    BORG Guest

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:08:06 +0000, Pip
    <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:51:10 +0000,
    > (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
    >
    >>Pip <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    >>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    >>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

    >>
    >>Given the fact that everyone else thinks it's crap, and that the firm
    >>doesn't seem to exist, I still think this is the wiser option. If it's
    >>gone wrong once, it'll go wrong again, and Sod's Law says that the next
    >>time will be at the most bloody inconvenient moment.

    >
    >I know you're right, but I don't want to commit to this course of
    >action precipitately. If someone can come up with some means of
    >diagnosis I'd like to try resetting it first.
    >
    >Another awkwardness is that there's no documentation with the alarm,
    >nor is there a manual or wiring diagram for the bike.
    >>
    >>Btw, the bike concerned isn't the Throttle Cable Harley, is it?

    >
    ><whistles, innocently>



    Mate is having same probs on his NightTrain, had to have a new unit
    shipped over from the states, funny enough that doesn't work either.
    Once I'm over this shitty flu/man death virus I'll pop down the shop
    that re fitted it and ask them for the wiring diagram. It must have
    come with one.
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    BORG, Jan 21, 2007
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  5. Pip pretended :

    > The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    > installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    > loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.


    The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
    be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
    rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
    which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.

    All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
    where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
    can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.

    All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
    layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.

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    Harry Bloomfield, Jan 21, 2007
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  6. BORG <> wrote:

    > Once I'm over this shitty flu/man death virus I'll pop down the shop
    > that re fitted it and ask them for the wiring diagram. It must have
    > come with one.


    <Settles down comfortably>

    This is going to be *fun*.


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    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2007
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  7. Pip

    BORG Guest

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
    <> wrote:

    >Pip pretended :
    >
    >> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    >> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    >> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

    >
    >The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
    >be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
    >rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
    >which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.
    >
    >All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
    >where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
    >can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.
    >
    >All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
    >layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.



    Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a pint
    each
    --

    www.ratrodz.co.uk

    XJ900 Trike ** GS850 Trike
    XV1000 TR1 Chop

    [Rot 13 it]

    Some people are like slinkys....
    no real use but it makes you smile when they fall down stairs!
     
    BORG, Jan 21, 2007
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  8. BORG wrote :
    > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
    > <> wrote:


    >> Pip pretended :
    >>
    >>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    >>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    >>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

    >>
    >> The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
    >> be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
    >> rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
    >> which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.
    >>
    >> All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
    >> where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
    >> can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.
    >>
    >> All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
    >> layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.



    > Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a pint
    > each


    Well an hour at the most. Your method of tackling the problem would
    be...?

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    Regards,
    Harry (M1BYT) (L)
    http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
     
    Harry Bloomfield, Jan 21, 2007
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  9. Pip

    Robbo Guest

    "Pip" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I'm having a problem with a bike that is fitted with a Spyball alarm.
    > I'm not even sure what model it is, but let's assume that it is the
    > Patriot. The alarm appears to be working, at least the bloody
    > immobiliser side is - but it also appears to be erratic in operation:
    > going off when it shouldn't, not going off when it should, that sort
    > of thing. The LED indicating status isn't working either and hasn't
    > for some time, apparently - this makes it difficult to tell whether
    > the alarm is armed or not.
    >
    > The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    > installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    > loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.
    >
    > What I'd like to do is to perform a hard reset. I'm thinking about
    > disconnecting the bike battery, then pulling out the alarm's internal
    > battery and leaving it to think about its behaviour for a while before
    > reconnecting the batteries.
    >
    > The problem is that I have no information on the alarm, and neither
    > does the owner of the bike. Spyball seem to have disappeared off the
    > planet and all I can find through googling is complaints about alarm
    > failures with no solutions.
    >
    > Does anybody have any info or instructions relevant to a Spyball?


    I know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on

    but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram
     
    Robbo, Jan 21, 2007
    #9
  10. Harry Bloomfield <> wrote:

    > BORG wrote :
    > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
    > > <> wrote:

    >
    > >> Pip pretended :
    > >>
    > >>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
    > >>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
    > >>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.
    > >>
    > >> The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
    > >> be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
    > >> rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
    > >> which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.
    > >>
    > >> All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
    > >> where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
    > >> can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.
    > >>
    > >> All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
    > >> layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.

    >
    >
    > > Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a pint
    > > each

    >
    > Well an hour at the most. Your method of tackling the problem would
    > be...?


    Throw it at someone who understands the fucking things. I've heard of
    people trying to dismantle/remove alarms and immobilisers themselves,
    and accidentally fritzing the bike's black boxes.


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    BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2007
    #10
  11. Robbo <> wrote:

    > know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    >
    > but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram


    Even if they do, it'll be Italian.


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    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2007
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  12. Pip

    Pip Guest

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:02:17 +0000,
    (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

    >Robbo <> wrote:
    >
    >> know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    >>
    >> but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram

    >
    >Even if they do, it'll be Italian.


    <sob>

    That explains it all, dunnit?

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    Pip, Jan 21, 2007
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  13. Pip

    Robbo Guest

    "Pip" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:02:17 +0000,
    > (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
    >
    >>Robbo <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    >>>
    >>> but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram

    >>
    >>Even if they do, it'll be Italian.

    >
    > <sob>
    >
    > That explains it all, dunnit?


    Email sent to Gmail addy
     
    Robbo, Jan 21, 2007
    #13
  14. The Older Gentleman expressed precisely :
    > Robbo <> wrote:


    >> know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    >>
    >> but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram


    > Even if they do, it'll be Italian.


    Circuit diagrams are international.

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    Regards,
    Harry (M1BYT) (L)
    http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
     
    Harry Bloomfield, Jan 21, 2007
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  15. Pip

    Timo Geusch Guest

    The Older Gentleman wrote:

    > Harry Bloomfield <> wrote:
    >
    > > BORG wrote :
    > > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
    > > > <> wrote:

    > >
    > > >> Pip pretended :
    > > >>
    > > >>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has

    > > been >>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the
    > > original >>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the
    > > least. >>
    > > >> The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram

    > > - would >> be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into
    > > the loom, then >> rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire
    > > colours match [1], but >> which would otherwise leave a loose end
    > > of wire in the loom. >>
    > > >> All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series

    > > circuits >> where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel
    > > circuits which >> can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points
    > > insulated. >>
    > > >> All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then

    > > finally a >> layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a
    > > > pint each

    > >
    > > Well an hour at the most. Your method of tackling the problem would
    > > be...?

    >
    > Throw it at someone who understands the fucking things. I've heard of
    > people trying to dismantle/remove alarms and immobilisers themselves,
    > and accidentally fritzing the bike's black boxes.


    Nothing to do with me, guv.

    Of course it helps if you diconnect the effing battery first; removing
    the thing *if* you've got wiring diagram and are moderately handy with
    a soldering iron shouldn't be that big a deal if it's installed
    properly.

    Of course that is a *big* if.

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    Timo Geusch, Jan 21, 2007
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  16. Pip

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Harry Bloomfield wrote:

    > The Older Gentleman expressed precisely :
    > >Robbo <> wrote:

    >
    > > > know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    > > > but I don't know if they are able to provide
    > > > a wiring diagram

    >
    > > Even if they do, it'll be Italian.

    >
    > Circuit diagrams are international.


    Do they do sense of humour transplants these days?

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    Timo Geusch, Jan 21, 2007
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  17. It happens that Timo Geusch formulated :
    > Nothing to do with me, guv.


    > Of course it helps if you diconnect the effing battery first; removing
    > the thing *if* you've got wiring diagram and are moderately handy with
    > a soldering iron shouldn't be that big a deal if it's installed
    > properly.


    > Of course that is a *big* if.


    Usually they do it the easiest way, which to simply tap into the supply
    points needed and snip a wire at a point where the alarm needs to be in
    series with a circuit. Worst case is the need to rejoin two sometimes
    three wires and cut the rest off, how difficult can that be - even
    without a diagram?

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    Harry Bloomfield, Jan 21, 2007
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  18. Pip

    Paul - xxx Guest

    Harry Bloomfield <> typed:
    > The Older Gentleman expressed precisely :
    >> Robbo <> wrote:

    >
    >>> know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    >>>
    >>> but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram

    >
    >> Even if they do, it'll be Italian.

    >
    > Circuit diagrams are international.


    Not necessarily, and especially so where the Italians are concerned.

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    Paul - xxx, Jan 21, 2007
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  19. Harry Bloomfield <> wrote:

    > The Older Gentleman expressed precisely :
    > > Robbo <> wrote:

    >
    > >> know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
    > >>
    > >> but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram

    >
    > > Even if they do, it'll be Italian.

    >
    > Circuit diagrams are international.


    <Holds head in hands>

    Bugger off back to your soldering iron, there's a good chap.


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    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2007
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  20. Pip

    Christofire Guest

    The Older Gentleman wrote:

    > BORG <> wrote:
    >
    > > Once I'm over this shitty flu/man death virus I'll pop down the shop
    > > that re fitted it and ask them for the wiring diagram. It must have
    > > come with one.

    >
    > <Settles down comfortably>
    >
    > This is going to be fun.


    "For Sale: Nighttrain, slightly dead, not my bike"

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    Christofire, Jan 21, 2007
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