[QUOTE] oh it is ..it is....ignore Nev... the main problem with winter down here in Melbounee is coping with the palm leaves on the road and camel droppings on blind bends... bring water casks with you... if you get stuck up the black spur in mid winter you could die of thirst within hours paulh[/QUOTE] Just as well you told me Paul. They won't let me export pure NZ water but I could bring real man's whisky casks instead. My thirst for that *takes hours* to fill. Is there whisky in bundaburg in case (pun) we need more than the plane will take? James