On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:43:57 +0100, Andy Bonwick [QUOTE] You forgot to point out that you're probably considerably faster than he is on a bike. Fuck all the non-smokers, I watched Daz beg for a smoke after his K5 did a good imitation of an ice dancer in a French lay by.[/QUOTE] It's a French thing, IIRC I started again about 5 minutes after we arrived at the hotel. Few give up. The gap between just gets longer.