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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Doki, May 10, 2007.

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    Doki Guest

    In the never ending quest to distract myself from revising for various
    ecology and survey methodology exams, I've decided to take up aerodynamics.
    The thing is, it's years since I did any proper maths. So how the **** do I
    calculate maximum speed from frontal area, Cd and power? I can't even
    rearrange mildly complicated equations any more...
     
    Doki, May 10, 2007
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    Tunku Guest

    Google it. :)
     
    Tunku, May 10, 2007
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    Doki Guest

    It's surprisingly ungoogleable. I suppose that's the nature of google
    though - based on what people link to. And people are thick cunts who link
    to lots of calculations that let you work out that your Civic will do 200
    because it's gearing would let it, if it had 500 horses...
     
    Doki, May 10, 2007
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    Krusty Guest

    Try rec.auto.sports.f1 - there are a couple of aerodynamicists on
    there. You might even find the equations have been posted before if you
    Google the group.

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    Krusty, May 10, 2007
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    M J Carley Guest

    P is power, F is force, V is speed, S is area, rho is density:

    P = FV, (1)

    and force is equal to drag:

    F = Cd 0.5 rho V^2. (2)

    So, insert (2) in (1):

    P = Cd 0.5 rho V^3, (3)

    and

    V = (2P/Cd/rho)^(1/3).
     
    M J Carley, May 10, 2007
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    CT Guest

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    Doki Guest

    All SI units? Where's frontal area in that lot?
     
    Doki, May 10, 2007
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    MikeH Guest

    Paging TOG
     
    MikeH, May 10, 2007
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    M J Carley Guest

    [wrong stuff snipped]
    Bugger. It should read:

    P is power, F is force, V is speed, S is area, rho is density:

    P = FV, (1)

    and force is equal to drag:

    F = S Cd 0.5 rho V^2. (2)

    So, insert (2) in (1):

    P = S Cd 0.5 rho V^3, (3)

    and

    V = (2P/S/Cd/rho)^(1/3).
     
    M J Carley, May 10, 2007
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    Krusty Guest

    <TOG>

    S = CG ^ <MSOHP>
    ----------------
    STEEP HILL

    </TOG>


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    Doki Guest

    Ta for that. I'm using a 15% fudge factor for transmission losses & rolling
    resistance (looking at various versions of the Golf) and I get rather high
    top speed figures for MK2s and 3s and 4s, but pretty much bang on for the
    later MK5s. I suspect this could be down to gearing mind, as the MK2s are
    geared to get to the red line pretty sharpish in fifth rather than to reach
    all out top speed, and it's also perfectly possible that VW didn't want the
    MK2 G60 to do 155mph given that it's probably generating considerable lift
    at that speed.
     
    Doki, May 10, 2007
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  12. It is the same as what you should all ready know for fluid dynamics
    except the fluid isn't quite as much of a fluid but is still very
    dynamic. Easy really.
     
    steve auvache, May 10, 2007
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    Depresion Guest

    Don't forget that if the drag is higher than the power output lower in
    the rev range the car may never get to the top of it's powerband in
    top gear.

    You can cheat with:
    <http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest4.5/downloads/CarTest.zip>

    It has the 1991 16v in there already and there is nothing to stop you
    adding any more you like if you have the right information.
     
    Depresion, May 10, 2007
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