Ace says...[QUOTE] Err, yeah, s'wot I said. Or are you saying they weren't even as quick as the RDs?[/QUOTE] I meant they weren't quite as fast as the last of the air cooled RD250s. When Yamaha put electronic ignition on the RD it really did make that much of a differnce out of the crate. The porting is better on the E and F model too. If you set the points on an RD250A/B/C/D to 1.8mm BTDC it makes a real flyer of a bike that's still reliable and quicker than any X7 in standard trim. Trouble was then, not many bike mechanics would or could set the points up properly so the X7 always appeared to be faster.