Texas Motorcycle helmet law

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Dixon Ranch, Jan 2, 2005.

  1. Dixon Ranch

    Dixon Ranch Guest

    Texas Legislature will soon be in session.

    Lots of pre-filed bills from what I have read.

    I think that the helmet usage bill could be among the issues considered.

    I think that nothing will happen on the helmet usage issue during this
    session because of the several really serious spending and taxation issues
    consuming all the available time available.

    The money issues for school finance will most likely be the main issue.

    My prediction is that due to the school issues and etc, helmet related
    issues will be judged to be nonessential and not worthy of consideration.

    The opinion will most likely be- "Wasn't that issue dealt with in the 1990s
    with the insurance requirement and/or option?? Doesn't seem to be broken,
    why try to fix it?? That motorcycle organization agreed to the compromise,
    we got other more serious issues to deal with, let's move on to them."

    Well that ought to get the news rolling in about the helmet law and etc.
     
    Dixon Ranch, Jan 2, 2005
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  2. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Yep.. that's been established..
    That too.. some are very important to many of the consumers in Texas...
    Also.. there is quite a bit of speculation ..
    The consensus of many like you took priority in Louisiana..
    One of them, of course..
    Your prediction was paralleled in Louisiana, just before their own
    legislative session was closed and the motorcycle enthusiasts in the state
    realized the "Helmet Bill" was a law.. signed and sealed by the governor..
    Predictions and opinions from you seem to be like "assholes".. everyone has
    one of them..
    Hmmm.. as far back as I remember, this may very well be your first and only
    original post.. What .. exactly is your point. ?? The post doesn't contain
    breaking news, by any means.. TMRA II addressed the concerns of an
    impending revision of the Helmet Law requirements in Texas, several months
    ago.. Shortly after the Bikers in Louisiana realized that helmets were going
    back on their heads, in their state..

    If your post is a reminder of that, to motorcyclists in Texas, many thanks..
    If your predictions and opinions are to deliver the message "Not to worry,
    no need to attend the Legislative Session to make your own wishes heard"..
    then you should be ashamed to post it on a motorcycle newsgroup.. Your
    choice.. which is it ?

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 2, 2005
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  3. Dixon Ranch

    Brian Walker Guest

    Little things like state income tax to provide for (let's see how close I
    can get the wording without looking) "education and ALL other things".

    Elmer, how close was I?
    That's the second time your welfare ridden ass has mentioned "school"
    issues. Could it be that you know nothing about what's proposed in this next
    legislation?
    Yeah, like state income tax?

    No need to fear from you, you've never had a job and paid taxes anyway.
    You've just maintained yourself in a location of the tax rolls as receiving
    (ie, "welfare recipient").

    If you want, I'll be sure to let the good legislators know how concerned you
    are with school issues and send them your way to pay for it.
     
    Brian Walker, Jan 2, 2005
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  4. I think you are right. Helmet issue isn't going to go anywhere and
    legislators will be annoyed with people wasting their time about it
    when there are more important issues to be dealt with.
     
    another viewer, Jan 3, 2005
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  5. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Actually... what you think isn't important..

    Helmet issue isn't going to go anywhere and
    LMAO... you can be assured that none will be expecting anything from a slug
    like you..
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 3, 2005
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  6. Yes it has been filed. HB264
    http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/79R/billtext/HB00264I.HTM
    You need to learn a little more on how the State Government works.
    Most bills are reviewed and modified in their perspective committees. So the
    helmet bill won't be in the same committee as the school finance. Due to the
    complexity of the School finance, it'll be in its committee's for a long
    time and if thats the only important issue you see, then the legislators
    will have 100 days of nothing to do.
    During this lag time the legislators work on important bills like
    comemerating a day of the year to so and so. A lot of them don't bother
    showing up at this time.
    The goal is to get our bills in and out of committee as soon as possible.
    The faster is comes out the less hassle we have. If we wait till May to get
    it out, then we will have problems. However if we get it out before April,
    then there is a good chance to get it heard and voted on.

    Yes it was dealt with in 1995, 1997, 1999, and 2001. We missed 2003. So its
    not like they don't know a problem exists. Now its required to have medical
    insurance or rider education to ride without a helmet. However with the
    current Hippa situation, the required medical insurance doesn't have to pay
    for any motorcycle accident. Does that sound like its fixed?
    DPS officers have continued to pull over and ticket, or just harras bikers
    for not wearing a helmet. Do you believe that's fixed?
    Judges still rule against people who have not broken the law simply because
    they don't understand or don't care to understand it. Do you believe that's
    fixed?
    TMRA 2 has taken the stance that the law is too difficult to be understood,
    otherwise we wouldn't continuelly have the problem of trying to teach people
    in charge of DPS over and over and over again. So its time to simplify the
    law. Either we get the necessary amount of support to make the change in our
    favor, or we don't and the helmet law is reinstated.
    The choice is up to the bikers of Texas.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 3, 2005
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  7. Pretty close, they do a good job of hiding what they don't want you to know.
    The last special session called by the governor to work on school finance
    was a fiasco. Looking at each bill I didn't see one financial bill that
    dedicated more than 10% to school finance. All of the other money was to go
    into the general fund. If school finance was so important then why couldn't
    all the monies collected go to the fund, or at least 80%. Did they believe
    they were going to collect so much money from the fees and taxes than only
    10% would be needed? No its just easier to hide when funds are not
    dedicated. Easier to tell teachers no money is available for raises or
    better health care rather than them seeing what was really there.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 3, 2005
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  8. You need to learn how the legislation works in this state.
    Most bills are reviewed and modified in their perspective committees. So the
    helmet bill won't be in the same committee as the school finance. Due to the
    complexity of the School finance, it'll be in its committee's for a long
    time and if thats the only important issue you see, then the legislators
    will have 100 days of nothing to do.
    During this lag time the legislators work on important bills like
    comemerating a day of the year to so and so. A lot of them don't bother
    showing up at this time.
    The goal is to get our bills in and out of committee as soon as possible.
    The faster is comes out the less hassle we have. If we wait till May to get
    it out, then we will have problems. However if we get it out before April,
    then there is a good chance to get it heard and voted on.


    You'll find this was an issued readdressed each session since 97. So the
    legislators know the problems. And I hope they get annoyed, I plan to annoy
    a lot of them. They'll either fix it or reinstate it.
    It'll be up to us to decide.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 3, 2005
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  9. Dixon Ranch

    Dixon Ranch Guest

    It has been a long time since I had any Tx Govt Civics classes.

    I did notice reports of a lot of bills being pre-filed during Dec. 2004. I
    know that there are a lot of other issues competing for attention. It just
    depends on if they consider it worth dealing with this session.

    Next two questions is this: If you get it out of committee and get the yes
    votes needed for passage, will the Governor sign it or veto it??

    If he vetos it, will there be enough votes to override the veto???
     
    Dixon Ranch, Jan 3, 2005
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  10. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Some of those Bills will be vetoed by the Governor, of course..
    Never know for sure.. depends on how effective we will be when we meet with
    those legislators.. There are no crystal balls to predict the answers to
    the questions you ask.. Most importantly.. how many of us will actually be
    there to make a difference ? How many will sit on the sidelines to bitch,
    carp and criticize.?? How many are really interested enough in our
    government to actually participate in the legislation that will affect us
    for years to come ?

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 3, 2005
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  11. Don't know, the gov has never answered any of our questions, except to veto.
    The House normally supports us with only 4 or 5 desenting votes, but it
    would be a fight. The republicans by in large are afraid to confront the
    gov. He controls a lot of the campaign contributions coming into the
    republican party and they're afraid to fight him.
    We caught a few of the republicans in a lie last session about the gov
    influcing their vote. Which makes no sense to me, the gov should try to more
    or stall legislation. The committee chairman lied about meeting the gov, and
    then lied saying the gov never spoke to him about the legislation. We were
    able to verify this info with another member who was in that never took
    place meeting.
    This was a bill that was passed unanimously by the commitee in the 2001
    session and in the 2003 session all republicans on the committee voted
    against the bill, except the committee chair who abstained. The full senate
    in the 2001 session passed the bill without any desenting votes.
    Guess the gov took some heat from some other minority groups about vetoing
    our bill last time and didn't want to appear to be the one blocking the
    bill. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense about the lying.
    Usually the gov vetos the bills after the session is over so no bill can be
    voted on again.
    So other than the equal access bill which we are not filing this year, we
    have no idea where the gov stands, like I said he refuses to answer any
    questions about the issues we bring up.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 3, 2005
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  12. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Yep.. Elmer McKeeghan has been there, done that and bought the t-shirt and
    cap.. LOL.. Probably has a better feel for what goes on in that capitol
    building than the governor and most of the legislators who work there..

    More effective than most, also.. Just in case you've been missing it,
    Albert.. Elmer McKeeghan is one of the "good guys".. He's dedicated and when
    he's "got your back".. you don't need to worry about it.. Just a word..

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 3, 2005
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  13. works for me but,
    find the legislator who will fall on his sword to initiate a state
    income tax in texas. they'd best be ready to retire at the end of the
    term 'cause they aint gonna be re-elected.
     
    another viewer, Jan 4, 2005
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  14. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Translation: See here.. I can even talk some political stuff, too.. If I
    butter you up real good, will you be my friend and make ol' Walker stop
    attacking me.?. Or.. at least help me while I attack him.. Can we make it
    seem like he is attacking me ?

    Gotta hand it to you .. sleazebag... Better get back to "fishin"...
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 4, 2005
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  15. Hey, the blame is ours. We elected the fuckers.
    [/QUOTE]

    o man, did i miss the pro state income tax candidate on the ballot ?

    dammitol......
     
    another viewer, Jan 4, 2005
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  16. Actually there are a couple of bills for state income tax this year. But
    none address reducing property tax. Also there is no real stipulation where
    the money goes, although it does mention school finance.
    My requirement for state income tax requires that property tax be reduced to
    a maximum of 1.00 per hundred and that at least 80% of the funds are
    dedicated to school finance. Otherwise we'll get the same problem of
    increasing taxes with no financial help to the schools. It'll be the same
    issue we had with the lotto. Remember it was implied that the monies would
    be used for school finance. Instead most of the monies were put to the
    general fund and disappeared.
    The state income tax has been hinted at for years. Now they have an excuse
    to use it in the name of school finance while dedicated little to no funds
    to it.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 4, 2005
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  17. o man, did i miss the pro state income tax candidate on the ballot ?

    dammitol......[/QUOTE]

    Did you ask your candidates whether they would support it or not?
    Part of what your suppose to do as a voter.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 4, 2005
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  18. At least he participates. If you would attend a meeting maybe you would see
    what its really about. Instead you use whatever excuse not to join and
    blaming Bill for not joining is pretty lame for an excuse.
    Mostly we call those kind of people welfare riders. Those who receive
    benefit for our efforts but refuse to participate.
    Now you can blame me for not joining too if you need another excuse.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 4, 2005
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  19. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    ROTFL... FYI.. I don't claim to represent TMRA II ..Never did.. I'm a
    member..

    I see no point in
    That's interesting... I've solicited several participants on tx.motorcycle
    for membership in TMRA II.. Reviewing that list, I don't see "Biff Bentley"
    on there.. Might be best to wait until you're "invited" before declining
    ...huh speedo ? TMRA II needs Warriors, not Welfare Riders.. Usenet wannabes
    are usually not worthwhile contributors ..

    I bet you're a hoot at the meetings though.

    Yep.. I do liven' up some of the meetings, alright..

    Thanks "bud" for being
    hmmm... Don't remember being a participant on rec.motorcycle newsgroup.. You
    seem to be totally confused .. this is tx.motorcycle newsgroup.. Other than
    the crossposting of some of those guys in that group, I've never posted
    anything on there.. Since I don't even know how to X-Post, my only
    participation has been to "respond" to those cross posters...

    It's good to know that us rookies have a place to turn for
    Well now.. sport.. I remind you again, that I've never directed any of that
    toward "Biff Bentley".. Your assumed "self importance" is sadly misguided..
    Actually.. your stupidity is the most striking impression of you..

    <snipped the rest of this nonsense>

    I'm very sure that rec.motorcycles newsgroup has some real good people who
    participate much like tx.motorcycle newsgroup.. Then.. there is always the
    few.. like this one.. Perpetual juvenile and statistic waiting for it to
    happen..

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 4, 2005
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  20. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    See there.. And everyone says that you are nothing more than a "pretty
    face"...<chuckle> See you soon, Elmer.. Thanks..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 4, 2005
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