Sir wants a nice little FJ1100, Sir does. -- | ___ Salad Dodger |/ \ _/_____\_ GL1500SE-V/CBR1100XX-X/CBX1000Z |_\_____/_| ..76331.../...19254.../..30836. (>|_|_|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 YTC#4 |__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 \ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4 \|^|/ ANORAK#17 IbB#4 PM#5 WG* '^' RBR Clues: 29 Pts: 485 Miles: 1967
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger LOL! You utter, utter, *utter* ****. -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets and Ducati Race Engineer. WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big" Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Yamaha GTS1000
Salad Dodger wrote: <chortle> -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
I had a problem like this with the Trophy, although less extreme. I could trundle on endlessly at 80-85mph, but much over and it would start to do the fuel starvation bit. Similarly, a few miles at three-figure speeds would have me coasting to the hard shoulder. I tried all sorts of things, rerouting fuel pipes, cleaning out the tap, even riding with the filler cap ajar, until the HBoL clued me in to the fact that there were inline fuel filters in the T-pieces between the carbs. I pulled them out, and found them to be full of rusty gungy silt. Cleaned, replaced and woo hoo: all-day 130mph cruising. These filters were tiny little efforts that actually fitted inside the T-pieces. Does the Bandit have anything similar?
Right - took it out earlier, and sure enough, it died, so I popped the cap tried to bump it, no joy. Stopped, waited a bit, fired it up and left the cap open. Quarter mile later, it died. So I think we can rule out tank vaccuum/breathing. Back to "home", I started to think a little more logically. 1) we know air is getting into tank. 2) is fuel leaving tank properly? 2a) Disconnected fuel pipe, switched to on and got a legful of fuel. 2b) That's a yes then. 3) is the filter fucked? 3b) remove cover, remove tank (do you have the AWOL front end 8mm headed tank bolt perchance?), follow fuel line - find plastic thing between tank and what I presume is the fuel pump. 3c) removed it. More fuel drippage. 3d) it's sealed, but, I can blow air through it reasonably well. 3e) so it's probably not the filter? 4) is the fuel pump, pumping? 4a) removed the 'outbound' pipe from pump, hit the starter, got splashed with fuel. 4b) seems to be. refitted everything, started bike, revved it a bit, sure enough, a minute or so later, it cuts out. And yes, the fuel tap is now back to "on". I think. <walks outside> yes it is, and now the cunting sun has come out, just to make things worse. So at this point, it's all a bit beyond me. What does the collective reckon? <sups pint> -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Doesnotcompute OK, this is now officially odd. I have this terrible thought. It's really not a nice one. Only it's got an immobiliser... Now, that was fitted for me when I bought it four years ago, and has never given any real hassle (apart from the noted reluctance to cancel when the sensor's wet). But it's there. And they do go wrong. I've asked you this already, but I don't think you responded. Does it die "dead", or splutter a bit first? -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets and Ducati Race Engineer. WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big" Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Yamaha GTS1000
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Doesnotcompute OK, this is now officially odd. I have this terrible thought. It's really not a nice one. Only it's got an immobiliser... Now, that was fitted for me when I bought it four years ago, and has never given any real hassle (apart from the noted reluctance to cancel when the sensor's wet). But it's there. And they do go wrong. I've asked you this already, but I don't think you responded. Does it die "dead", or splutter a bit first? -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets and Ducati Race Engineer. WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big" Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Yamaha GTS1000
Doesnotcompute scribbled: As had been mentioned, how does it die? Does it splutter a bit first, or just die stone cold dead? (well, not cold obviously, but just dies instantly?) If its instant it could be a buggered alarm, or the ECU dying (a certain bit of it warms up as the bikes running, it goes AWOL when it gets hot enough, you turn ignition off and/or it not working any more allows it to cool down enough for it to start working again) To test the ECU :- Buy a tin of freezer spray. Locate ECU (large heatsink thing normally bolted to chassis beneath seat to right or left, prolly need to remove fairing directly underneath seat to get at it). Run bike. When it cuts out, *immediately* spray ECU for 5 seconds and try to restart bike [1]. [1] I'm assuming here that trying to start it 5 secs after it has died would normally result in nothing apart from the engine turning over? I.e. not firing at all?
dead. not sleeping, not resting, just dead. and then it lives again. I'll check out Champ's "is the fuel pump spurting or gushing, just in case though. I'm guessing that by their very nature, immobilisers aren't the easiest things to remove/rewire/hotwire etc? -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
ta - will test this ASAP - I hope it's something so easily solved. <crosses fingers> -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
frag wrote: it stops living! The latter. One for the pro's methinks. Correct, it usually takes a minute or two until it fires up again. Cheers for the thoughts, even if it is potentially bad news! -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
frag wrote: it stops living! The latter. One for the pro's methinks. Correct, it usually takes a minute or two until it fires up again. Cheers for the thoughts, even if it is potentially bad news! -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
Doesnotcompute scribbled: "This parrot is dead!" Not too difficult. Find the alarm box. It'll have live & neutral power going into it. And one or more pairs of wires that do the immobilising bit coming out and going into the bikes wiring loom somewhere. I had an alarm on my old ZZR go phut outside work once. Had to pull seat off, and then unwrap yards of black insulation tape off the wiring loom (it was easy to spot the tape that the alarm installer had put on, looks a lot less professional than the original) I then spotted the wire in the *original* wiring loom that had been cut, and each side of the cut spliced into the wires coming from the alarm box. Cut wires going to alarm, connect the two original wire ends together, fire bike up no problem, and ride home with alarm wailing away under me bum
frag wrote: Just immobiliser, and I don't have a clue where it is - although I do know where the tag is, so it's a start. Ahh. I don't do electrickery or wires or looms and this would be a tad conspicuous, even for me -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
frag wrote: Just immobiliser, and I don't have a clue where it is - although I do know where the tag is, so it's a start. Ahh. I don't do electrickery or wires or looms and this would be a tad conspicuous, even for me -- Dnc B1200 - +30bhp ~|~ ZZR1100 - tagline being developed V2300 - flat cap and rug ~|~ VS800 - borked MIB#26 two#54(soiled) UKRMMA#26 BOTAFOT#153 X-FOT#003
_Exactly_ the symptoms Ginge's bike had down in Bergerac, which turned out to be a kinked breather pipe. I do hope he's checked all the pipe runs before resorting to anything more serious. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2 `\|/` `
Yeah, you're right. I misread the above stuff. DNC - check for a kink or blockage in the vacuum feed to the tap. It gives exactly the symptoms you describe. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2 `\|/` `
