The amazing denial of conspiracy kooks....

This firefighter say molten metal was flowing "like a foundry".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3060923273573302287

Photo evidence.

http://static.flickr.com/86/279529133_613129f58c.jpg?v=0

October 21, 2001:

http://static.flickr.com/120/279514317_77de161f37_o.jpg

The short video below was filmed six weeks after the demolitions.

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/red_hot_ground_zero_low_quality.wmv

Unless you think the eyewitnesses are all lying or mistaken
and that the photo/video evidence is all faked, then you agree
that the molten metal observed at all three 9-11 demolition
sites is real, not imaginary. If you do think the eyewitnesses
are all lying or mistaken and that the photo/video evidence is
all faked, please tell us how smoldering, low temperature, oxygen
starved fires near the top of the towers melted steel deep in
the sub basement. Seems rather magical... <chuckle>




-

http://911research.wtc7.net

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

 

Just to get this straight, Hanky....YOU are the conspiracy theorist
(kook). You think different of the published events and that Bush
conspirared to drop the towers for whatever reason.

By definition, YOU are the one beating the conspiracy theory drum.

Another thing that keeps the conspiracy therorists from finding a
mainstream voice is the constant focus on single points with only one
alternate answer-

"there was molten metal, so it could only have been thermite"
"thermite is used as a demolition method"
"The buildings must have been demoed"
"You can't prove that I'm wrong, so I must be right"

Can you see why NOT ONE SINGLE MEDIA OUTLET, no matter how liberal,
will publish the crackpot method you come to your conclusions?

Do you spam news media with emails as well? It's not hard to imagine
what your agenda is with an email such as "".
Yet another reason a clear thinking person is going to RUN in the
opposite direction of your "facts". You cannot be biased and as such
your opinions and research are tainted. You do the 911 truth bowel
movement a true disservice.

You can cut and paste the crap out of this post, add on your tired
rants, but in the end it YOU and YOUR METHODS that keep your voice from
being heard.

Kirb

 

Dude, seek help!...theres more to life than being stuck on and re-living
9-11

It happened 5 years ago, its done, cant take it away, move on.


and BTW, you fucked up your own subject line...you just told us YOU are
on denial because you are the one stuck on the conspiracy theory

 

I notice that neither you nor any other gullible magic fire/Super
Arab conspiracy kook can explain how a low temperature, oxygen
starved, smoldering fire near the top of the tower produced
molten and glowing metal deep in the sub basement. Just more hard
evidence that must be ignored or denied in order to make your
silly fairy tale "work", eh? <vbg>
But hey, your ruling masters told you that the magic fires
did it, so there's no need for further "thought" is there? Your
ruling masters would never lie to you about anything, right?
The denial and ignorance of thoughtless, clueless conspiracy
kooks sure is amazing... <chuckle>



Look at the height of WTC7:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11 Picture1.jpg

Then look at how it collapsed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proved by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?

From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060327100957690

"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.

More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"

The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved with
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
excellent paper on momentum transfer on this page:

http://worldtradecentertruth.com/

As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.

To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.

Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.

 

The perpetrators have not been held accountable, so it's not
done, and we should not "move on". Silence is complicity. Also,
the treasonous war criminals and terrorists on the Bush regime
use 9-11 to justify their policy of fear, hate, violence, death,
destruction, terrorism, and oppression.

There are two conspiracy theories. The official conspiracy theory
has been proved to be physically impossible and it contradicts the
hard evidence as well as the laws of physics. Also it could never be
duplicated. The demolition theory is supported by the evidence, and
could be duplicated.



Look at the height of WTC7:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11 Picture1.jpg

Then look at how it collapsed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proved by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?

From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060327100957690

"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.

More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"

The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved with
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
excellent paper on momentum transfer on this page:

http://worldtradecentertruth.com/

As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.

To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.

Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.


http://911research.wtc7.net

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html


http://911research.wtc7.net

 

WTC7 housed offices with very sensitive government information, so I
would not be surprised if it was demolished as the "last resort" part of
the Destruction Plan.

Actually, if that was the case, I'm glad they did.


Damian

 

"It must have been" is the "argument" of the magic fire
conspiracy theorists.
Those of us who assert controlled demolition support our position
with irrefutable hard evidence - something we have yet to see from
magic fire conspiracy theorists. Why do you even bother making
assertions about a subject you obviously know very little?

http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/contrib/911_physics_v12b_w_cov.pdf
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/squibs.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/squibs.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html


--

http://911research.wtc7.net


Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

 

This is probably the best site available for detailed analysis
of the demolitions. The search feature is a great time saver.
Not =one= magic fire conspiracy theorist has been able to quote
even =one= false or misleading claim on that site, so it's very
well researched.

http://911research.wtc7.net


--

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

 

None of them can explain how low temperature, oxygen starved fires
near the top of the towers caused the massive undamaged steel frames
below to suddenly disintegrate and fall through themselves following
the path of most resistance and doing it in perfect symmetry and
free fall speed. They can't explain it because it's impossible.
Demolition is the only possible explanation.

The NIST report is a joke that has been thoroughly debunked.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/nist/index.html

Same is true for Popular Mechanics' 25 year old "senior researcher"
Ben Chertoff, who is not a physicist or an engineer. But he is related
to homeland security chief Michael Chertoff. You should try to get
your "facts" from more credible sources....

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm


--


http://911research.wtc7.net

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

 

That significant numbers of sheeple mindlessly swallow
and parrot the impossible fairy tales of known liars - liars
with a clear incentive to lie - is more pitiful than sad.
Look at the absurdities these gullible sheep are forced to
accept in order to believe the comical fantaises and lies
of their ruling masters... <vbg>

http://100777.com/node/963

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
September 15, 2004 - 19:29

Filed under: 911
by:
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html

I posted an earlier version of this last week at Democratic Underground
.. I've added a number of more entries, and links for all.





Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people
, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic
advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're
talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals
have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand
Bank , BCCI , Banco Ambrosiano , the P2 Lodge , the CIA/Mafia
anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time
ago, so there's no need to rehash all that . That was then, this is now !

That Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering
terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his
nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid
conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned
company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre,
Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must
admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the
investment of Osama's brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier
Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy
in no way implies he still is .

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same
side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is
merely one of history's little aberrations .

The claims of Michael Springman , State Department veteran of the Jeddah
visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda
members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like
the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001 , was
to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were
positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps,
even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves
that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy
task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House
had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl
Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled,
demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the
right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH , founded by a Saudi financier placed on
America's Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA's
entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he
must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and
forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her
employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture.
And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as
she answered questions about who supplied her with what information,
that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger
management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001 , Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of
co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was
crafting the administration's energy policy which bore implications for
America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and
ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the
VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked
aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field
commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of
Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the
error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her
investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her
colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the
stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a
promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations
into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001
does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason
for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass , working an undercover sting, was told
by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers
were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until
weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as
weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many
"What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent,
senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments
- including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt,
Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks
using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need
for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on
account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings
regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he'd taken
to John Ashcroft's office specific warnings he'd learned from FBI agents
in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates,
names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had
been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David
Schipper's pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the
intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which
included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the
information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council
to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually
nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence
operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US
and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery
of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a
dubious character , notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims
have since been proven true .

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned
to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from
investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into
terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a
money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like
yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11
demonstrates only the value of being prepared .

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into
the White House's calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil
played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world's principal heroin producer is
an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved
in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed , chief of Pakistan's ISI, must not have authorized an al
Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and
was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11,
because I didn't read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his
capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the
White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida
base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind
of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of
September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old
colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin
Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a
board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled
biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger
and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7,
was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek's report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on
Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only
newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should
surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell
Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base
Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense
Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world , after
all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler , Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the
Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined ,
removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote
"Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn
the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What
is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the
American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that
should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend,
smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US,
enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to
Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence
contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical
fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally
Hilliard , the owner of Atta's flight school, just three weeks after
Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just
bad luck . That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims
for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard's plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same
passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a
pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal
, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal's
attorney before Seal's murder , shows nothing but the lengths to which
conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions .

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC
investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain
nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was
merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted
immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when
you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could
not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at
excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact
of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually
empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely
demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their
minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even
though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no
solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable,
shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license
and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means
he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been
arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an
Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and
trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered
to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does
not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications
such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among
certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the
morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building;
another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many
interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field
commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a
hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie
substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more
than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers' describing
what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it
in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in
different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that
overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon
hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing
their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were
"double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned
that these guys had government protection. They were let into this
country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four
hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an
unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy .

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school
records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th
demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national
security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family
members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the
conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro's report in October 2001, known to have originated with French
intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in
July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks
was released by the State Department after having been found
providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama
with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone,
masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three
sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and
were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into
the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and
returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield
can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special
Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden,
suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides , is nothing more than a
series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis
treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to
be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the
foresightedness of America's emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the
Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist
psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot
Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort
Detrick , and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine,
underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue
without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories .

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided
financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush
White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the
Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda,
suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle
of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11
plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda
leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have
all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then
starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the
commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip
Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that
he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows
only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil
executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier
Khalid bin Mafouz , suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer,"
including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October
Surprise" , is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was
such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally
fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage
ring in its translation department , and claims she witnessed evidence
of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics
trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has
gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and
retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national
security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that
Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests
Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't
wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant .







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Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

 

Heh, heh, heh. I could have predicted before you knew it yourself
that you would be drawn to that conspiracy theory, Henry. No lie.
The theory *had* to come up so types with pre-existing issues could
latch onto it to supply their lives some grand sense of meaning.
History has shown it time and again.

 

Ask Henry about the explosive charges that George W. Bush planted on
the giant Buddhas of Bamiyan.

 

Name one?

So what?

The fact genuine experts differ on how, exactly, the buildings fell
doesn't mean that anyone with expertise has come forward and shows why
there is a problem with the explaination that bombs or thermite or
some othe rforce was needed to explain it.



It's been done

"....Some 200 technical experts reviewed tens of thousands of
documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000
segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236
pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and
sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that
occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they
began to collapse.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

 

"suddenly disintegrate" ?

Do you make this shit up?

No expert in building demolition or construction has suggested that
explosives are needed to show how the WTC towers fell.

 

Can you please shoe one specific debunking so we can discus it.

 

That appears to be your fantasy, Johnny mouse Williams.

The "mind" of a gullible, government propaganda parroting
conspiracy kook is very predictable. It can be counted upon
to mindlessly "attack" the messenger and/or change the subject,
but what it can't do, is address the relevant facts and evidence,
as that would require intellectual competence, courage, and
integrity.
Rob's denial of molten metal at all three WTC sites has
been exposed as utter nonsense. But rather than admit his
error and try to understand the evidence, he's been reduced
to mindless babbling and kook talk - as predicted... <chuckle>


Look at the height of WTC7:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/9-11 Picture1.jpg

Then look at how it collapsed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proved by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.

Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?

From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060327100957690

"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.

More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"

The massive steel frames of the towers were far too strong to
collapse only under their own weight. That's been proved with
physics, and that's why no other steel framed buildings have ever
collapsed that way unless they were demolished. See Gordon Ross'
excellent paper on momentum transfer on this page:

http://worldtradecentertruth.com/

As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.

To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

provided little more resistance than air. This is proved by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.

Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.


Observe the rotating and disintegrating block on the SOuth
Tower.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp4.html

As the top section of that tower is rotating, the high strength, fire
resistant perimeter columns on one side of the building are being
compressed, and on the opposite side, they're being pulled apart. Why
do you think the steel perimeter frame with no weight above it is
exploding and collapsing at the same rate as the compressed side?
Seems more than a little odd, doesn't it? Here's some information
on the perimeter columns.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html






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"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

 

"It must have been" is the "argument" of the magic fire
conspiracy theorists.
Those of us who assert controlled demolition support our position
with irrefutable hard evidence - something we have yet to see from
magic fire conspiracy theorists. Why do you even bother making
assertions about a subject you obviously know very little?

http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/contrib/911_physics_v12b_w_cov.pdf
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/squibs.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/squibs.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html


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Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html

 

Three is too many, eh? Try to read just this one,
then.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html

The NIST report fails to address collapse of WTC7, and
fails to explain the collapse of the towers' massive
undamaged steel frames below the in pact zone. Like
I said, it's been thoroughly debunked and exposed as a
fraud and a joke.

 

I don' believe the Bush regime's conspiracy theory because
it's been proved beyond any doubt to be impossible. If you
can't understand basic physics, mechanics, or the properties
of heated steel, this long list should convince even the most
gullible conspiracy kook that the Bush regime's version of
events is a series of impossible lies...

http://100777.com/node/963

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own
people , and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find
strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States
we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals
have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand
Bank , BCCI , Banco Ambrosiano , the P2 Lodge , the CIA/Mafia
anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time
ago, so there's no need to rehash all that . That was then, this is now !

That Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering
terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his
nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid
conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned
company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre,
Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must
admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the
investment of Osama's brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier
Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy
in no way implies he still is .

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same
side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is
merely one of history's little aberrations .

The claims of Michael Springman , State Department veteran of the Jeddah
visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda
members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like
the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001 , was
to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were
positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps,
even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves
that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy
task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House
had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl
Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled,
demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the
right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH , founded by a Saudi financier placed on
America's Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA's
entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he
must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and
forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her
employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture.
And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as
she answered questions about who supplied her with what information,
that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger
management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001 , Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of
co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was
crafting the administration's energy policy which bore implications for
America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and
ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the
VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked
aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field
commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of
Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the
error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her
investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her
colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the
stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a
promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations
into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001
does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason
for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass , working an undercover sting, was told
by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers
were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until
weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as
weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many
"What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent,
senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments
- including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt,
Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks
using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need
for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on
account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings
regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he'd taken
to John Ashcroft's office specific warnings he'd learned from FBI agents
in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates,
names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had
been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David
Schipper's pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the
intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which
included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the
information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council
to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually
nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence
operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US
and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery
of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a
dubious character , notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims
have since been proven true .

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned
to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from
investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into
terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a
money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like
yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11
demonstrates only the value of being prepared .

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into
the White House's calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil
played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world's principal heroin producer is
an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved
in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed , chief of Pakistan's ISI, must not have authorized an al
Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and
was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11,
because I didn't read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his
capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the
White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida
base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind
of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of
September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old
colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin
Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a
board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled
biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger
and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7,
was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek's report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on
Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only
newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should
surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell
Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base
Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense
Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world , after
all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler , Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the
Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined ,
removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote
"Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn
the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What
is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the
American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that
should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend,
smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US,
enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to
Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence
contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical
fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally
Hilliard , the owner of Atta's flight school, just three weeks after
Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just
bad luck . That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims
for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard's plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same
passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a
pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal
, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal's
attorney before Seal's murder , shows nothing but the lengths to which
conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions .

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC
investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain
nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was
merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted
immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when
you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could
not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at
excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact
of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually
empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely
demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their
minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even
though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no
solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable,
shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license
and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means
he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been
arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an
Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and
trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered
to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does
not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications
such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among
certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the
morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building;
another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many
interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field
commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a
hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie
substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more
than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers' describing
what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it
in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in
different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that
overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon
hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing
their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were
"double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned
that these guys had government protection. They were let into this
country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four
hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an
unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy .

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school
records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th
demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national
security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family
members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the
conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro's report in October 2001, known to have originated with French
intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in
July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks
was released by the State Department after having been found
providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama
with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone,
masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three
sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and
were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into
the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and
returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield
can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special
Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden,
suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides , is nothing more than a
series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis
treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to
be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the
foresightedness of America's emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the
Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist
psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot
Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort
Detrick , and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine,
underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue
without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories .

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided
financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush
White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the
Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda,
suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle
of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11
plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda
leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have
all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then
starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the
commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip
Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that
he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows
only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil
executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier
Khalid bin Mafouz , suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer,"
including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October
Surprise" , is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was
such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally
fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage
ring in its translation department , and claims she witnessed evidence
of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics
trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has
gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and
retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national
security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that
Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests
Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't
wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant .

 

Ukrm is your life. If we take you out of it, you'll
have no life. That'd be too cruel. Besides, your silly
kook rants are mildly amusing... <vbg>


http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html


The Destruction of WTC 7
Latest updates:
5 Sept. 2006: NIST postpones its report until 2007, will consider if
explosions occurred
25 Sept. 2006: a demolition expert and two structural design professors
conclude WTC 7 was a controlled demolition
13 Dec.2006: Finnish Doctor of Engineering: WTC 7 fell even faster than
an object falling the same distance through air

World Trade Center 7 was a steel-framed skyscraper completed in 1985. It
was located 110 meters (350 feet) away from the closest of the Twin
Towers. The building's tenants included the CIA, the U.S. Securities &
Exchange Commission, the Internal Revenue Service, several banks, and
the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management.

No airplane hit WTC-7, but its south facade and southwest corner were
damaged by debris ejected from the North Tower, which collapsed at 10.30
am. It was reported on fire at 4.10 pm by CNN, although the fires seem
to have started hours earlier, evidently before noon. The fires were
detected on a number of floors, and the building collapsed at 5.20 pm.


A high-resolution video of the collapse is available here.


The Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, speculated that office
fires caused the collapse of the building. It, however, acknowledged in
its report in May 2002: "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how
they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. [...]
the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence." Later in
2002, Larry Silverstein, the owner of WTC-7, gave in the America
Rebuilds TV program a famous "pull it" statement that has generally been
interpreted as meaning that the building was professionally demolished.

Did WTC-7 collapse as a result of office fires, or was it demolished
with explosives? The answer can be sought by examining the way in which
the building collapsed.

Collapse Speed


As one can observe from the videos of WTC-7's collapse, shortly
following the destruction of its penthouse structures, the building fell
to the ground in 6.5 seconds. This is a phenomenally short time: a stone
dropped from the top of the building would have reached the ground
(covering a distance of 174 meters) in 5.95 seconds – if there were no
air resistance! However, in principle the distance analyzed should be
that from the top of the building to the top of the debris pile, not to
the ground. As the exact height of the debris pile is not documented, it
is more useful to examine the early stages of the collapse, during which
the debris pile does not need to be taken into account.


According to the video analysis presented in the 9-11 Eyewitness
documentary, starting from the state of rest, WTC-7 fell 100 meters in
4.5 seconds. This results in an acceleration of 9.8 m/s2, corresponding
to a free fall.

To verify this, I examined the fall of a corner of the building in one
collapse video using Blaze Media Pro video editing software. The corner
fell 56 meters (=the distance between the Start and End lines in the
picture below) in 3.47 seconds. This results in an acceleration of 9.3
m/s2, which corresponds to a very low resistance factor of the
structural supports: only 5 percent of the force of gravity of the
building's falling upper section.

I also measured an acceleration of 8.5 m/s2 for the middle part of the
wide facade in the picture, which means that the force of resistance of
the structural supports was 13 percent of the force of gravity of the
falling upper section (see the calculation in more detail here).


My measurements therefore support the conclusion presented in 9-11
Eyewitness that the skyscraper fell virtually unimpeded. The lack of
structural resistance seems to be explainable only by the destruction of
the structural supports through the use of explosives.


WTC-7 fell on average 7 floors per second (47 / 6.5). One second after
the onset of the collapse, the speed of descent was almost 10
meters/second; after two seconds, almost 20 meters/second; and at the
end, about 60 meters/second (over 200 kilometers/hour).

Heikki Kurttila, a Finnish Doctor of Engineering and accident
researcher, has made detailed calculations about the collapse speed of
WTC-7. According to him, an apple dropped from the height of WTC 7's
roof would have taken 0.5 seconds longer to reach the ground than it
took WTC 7 to fall completely. Kurttila concludes that the short
collapse time and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled
demolition".

Structural Features of the Collapse

A striking feature in the collapse of WTC-7 is symmetry. The collapse
progressed evenly throughout the building, and the debris piled up
almost entirely within the foundations of the building.

The symmetry of WTC-7's collapse means that all of its steel supports –
25 central and 58 peripheral columns – were destroyed almost
simultaneously. Any asymmetry in the damage to structures would have led
to asymmetrical collapse. By contrast, a fully symmetrical collapse
without controlled use of explosives would not have followed the
principle of least resistance. Local fires could not have weakened all
the central and peripheral support structures in a way that would have
caused all of them to give up at the same moment.

A controlled demolition is also suggested by the drop of the center of
the skyscraper moments before the surrounding structures started to
fall, as well as by the fact that the outer walls were pulled inwards.
In a controlled demolition the collapse is caused by first destroying
the weight-carrying core of a building, which "pulls" the exterior walls
inwards ("implosion"). Although the lowest floor with fires was
reportedly the sixth floor, the building seems to have undergone a
traditional demolition, beginning from the bottom floor. An emergency
worker who witnessed the collapse of WTC-7 was interviewed on 9/11. He
described hearing what sounded like a "clap of thunder", followed by
what looked like "a shockwave ripping through the building", with
windows busting out, and "about a second later the bottom floor caved
out and the [rest of] the building followed after that".


At least one high-resolution video of the collapse of WTC-7 clearly
shows one more characteristic of controlled demolition: streamers of
dust emerging out of the building.


A Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko, who owns a demolition company
and has been in the business for 27 years, concluded in September 2006
that WTC 7 "is controlled demolition. [...] A team of experts did this.
This is professional work, without any doubt." Hugo Bachmann, a Swiss
professor emeritus for structural design and construction, said in
Tages-Anzeiger : "In my opinion WTC7 was with great probability brought
down by controlled demolition done by experts". In addition, Jörg
Schneider, another Swiss Professor emeritus for structural design and
construction, interprets the existing videos as indices that "WTC7 was
with great probability brought down by explosives".

Fire Endurance of Steel

Steel is very fire-resistant material. In tests conducted by Chorus
Construction in several countries, the fire endurance of steel-framed
parking garages was examined by feeding fires with hydrocarbon fuel.
Steel beams and pillars heated to a maximum of 360 degrees Celsius, and
the breaking of steel was not even close. In Cardington fire endurance
tests non-fireproofed steel was subjected to temperatures of up to 1150
degrees Celsius, but no collapse was observed. In the Windsor Building
in Madrid, a 24-hour intensive fire did not collapse the building.
Moreover, the fires in WTC-7 were insignificant compared to fires in
Windsor Building and all other skyscraper fires. Office fires have never
collapsed a single steel-framed highrise to the ground. In the picture
of WTC-7 to the right, the fires are limited to small areas, almost all
windows are intact, and no red heat indicative of temperatures capable
of softening steel is visible. The situation is the same in other
photographs taken of the building in late afternoon. In this video a
fair amount of smoke, but no flames, can be seen. By contrast, WTC-5,
which was badly damaged by the collapse of the North Tower next to it,
burned very powerfully: its floors were covered by a sea of flames and
all windows were broken. However, this building, despite the fact that
it had weaker support structures than WTC-7, did not collapse into a
debris pile, but remained standing.

Characteristics of the Debris


The debris of WTC-7 was extremely hot weeks after the collapse of the
building. Thermal imaging by NASA showed that the top of the debris pile
had a temperature of 730 degrees Celsius five days after the collapse.
Deeper, and immediately after the destruction, temperatures were
probably considerably higher. Residual temperatures like this cannot be
explained by office fires or by an ordinary, gravity-driven collapse.
When the potential energy of a building experiencing an ordinary
gravitational collapse turns into thermal energy, the result is only a
few degrees' average increase in temperature.

According to several reports, molten metal (also suggested by this video
footage) was found under the debris pile of WTC buildings. To melt
structural steel, temperatures exceeding 1500 degrees Celsius are
required. Such temperatures are never achieved in office fires. In
addition to molten metal, partly evaporated steel beams were found in
the debris of WTC-7. As professor Jonathan Barnett pointed out in a New
York Times interview, the fires in the building could not have produced
temperatures capable of evaporating steel. However, the use of
explosives like thermite can produce temperatures (even 3000 degrees
Celsius) that can melt and even evaporate steel.

FEMA's investigators were not allowed to work in the collapse zone
itself. They were allowed to examine the debris of WTC skyscrapers only
in landfill areas used as temporary storage for the steel debris before
its recycling. By May 2005, when FEMA finished its preliminary report
calling for further investigation, all the steel debris had been sold
and shipped into the Far East. Only 156 pieces of steel were chosen for
futher analysis, of which a ridiculous total of 4 were from WTC-7. Even
these four no longer seem to exist.


As WTC-7 was evacuated over six hours before its destruction, there were
no grounds for the rapid removal and recycling of the steel debris.
Quite the contrary: as WTC-7 was one of the three greatest building
collapses in recorded history (the other two being the North and South
Towers), the debris of the building should have been meticulously
examined. Many individuals and publications, such as the Fire
Engineering Magazine, protested strongly against the rapid destruction
of the evidence.


Final Words


Was WTC-7 destroyed as a result of controlled demolition? Everyone can
draw their own conclusions from the way in which the building was
destroyed and the temperatures produced in the destruction.

If and when the building was demolished, it must have been wired with
explosives before September 11th. An operation of that magnitude could
not have been accomplished during a couple of chaotic hours. This is why
the official hypotheses have not touched on the most obvious explanation
for the collapse of the skyscraper. It is revealing that the 9/11
Commission, which published its report in 2004, does not mention in a
single sentence the destruction of the third skyscraper resulting from
the terrorist attack in New York.


FEMA's work has been continued by the National Institute of Standards
and Technology, which has again postponed its report on WTC-7, this time
until 2007. NIST is now saying that it is also investigating the
hypothesis that explosions initiated the collapse. Interviewed in the
March 2006 issue of New York Magazine, Dr S. Shyam Sunder, NIST lead
investigator, summed up the present state of the investigation:


NIST did have "some preliminary hypotheses" on 7 WTC, Dr. Sunder said.
"We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the
structure, on the fifth to seventh floors." Then Dr. Sunder paused. "But
truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on
Building No. 7."