The beemer final has a working Speedo again

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by The Happy Drunk, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. The Happy Drunk

    alx Guest

    Buzzin along the M4 amd noting the respective readings from the speedo
    and the GPS takes about half a second. Calculator (or slide rule if
    handy) to work out the new calibration diameter.

    99.99% of riders would not have that kind of riding experience eheh

    Early 90's GPS (both equipment and intentional tweaking by US
    military) would have dubious accuracy compared with contemporary
    readings.

    So you cross-check against a GPS after all. And if you find the speed
    readings differ? Which do you believe is _more_ accurate? You would
    recalibrate again if the readings varied?

    You would save 3 minutes, petrol and a piece of chalk by just running
    a tape measure from axle ground and using that figure as your starting
    point then GPS to finesse the calibration at actual road speeds.
     
    alx, Mar 16, 2009
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    alx Guest

    with the usual maths applied to get the diameter of course...
     
    alx, Mar 16, 2009
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    CrazyCam Guest

    I don't even know where the M4 is. I am sure they want money from you
    to ride on the M4, too! :-(
    That is, of course, correct, but what the US military inspired diddling
    didn't stuff up was speed over the ground, which, under the right
    circumstances, was pretty well OK.
    I'd certainly think about what,when and where.

    GPSs are not infallible, nor are they absolutely accurate under all
    circumstances.

    I dunno if this is still a problem with GPSs, but, in the early days,
    especially here in Oz, you could run out of good satellites for them to
    talk to, and you'd occasionally get really stupid numbers as SoG.
    <blank look> what petrol?

    I prefer to roll the bike forwards, with me on it, for two full
    revolutions of the front wheel, then measure, with the obvious divide by
    two.... no calculator required.

    I used to do this twice, and average results, but, since I have had
    Sigmas for a while, I kinda know what numbers I should be seeing, and
    any slight difference is probably down to tyre changes.

    Anyway, I have an inherent distrust of π. ;-)

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Mar 16, 2009
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  4. Well I rode the bike to Sofala and back during the weekend and the
    speepo is still working..... kinda ..... most of the time.

    Maybe someone can work this out for me. When I first started on the
    ride, the speedo was working until about 20 kms into the trip where I
    noticed the speedo was indicating about half my actual speed. Further
    into the trip the speedo stopped working. At this point, I figured my
    attempted fixes had failed and the dodgy solder joints in the speedo
    unit must of failed.

    Further into the trip, on the open road, I decided to test the bikes
    horns as I had done some repairs on them as well but forgot to
    previously test them. Three hits of the horn and the speedo sprung
    into life and was reading the correct speed, well within 5ish kms of
    it. I was thinking that it was merely a coincidence. That was until I
    stopped at my first rest point. When I rode off again the speedo
    wasn't working again. Hit the horn again and the speedo sprung back
    into life again (it did it after the next stop as well). The next day
    the speedo was more consistent but occasionally would start reading
    about half the speed to what I was doing. Each time I hit the horn,
    the speedo would start indicating correctly again. I also found that
    hitting the horn once was inadequate but pressing it three times
    seemed to work each time.

    One of the riders I was with mentioned that it could be a bad earth
    due to the beemer having a common earth..... can anyone add to this,
    or offer another sugestions to why this is happening.

    On a totally different subject, my lovely wife mentioned on friday
    night that she was crunching the numbers and feels that come
    june/july, I may be able to get a new bike :) Has any one here riden
    a Moto Guzzi Breva 750? What did you think?
    __


    Cheers
    The Happy Drunk
    K100RT
     
    The Happy Drunk, Mar 16, 2009
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    knobdoodle Guest

    Is your headlight wavering, going dull and bright?
    If so; it's your starter-motor brushes. (Thanks Al Pennykid)
     
    knobdoodle, Mar 16, 2009
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    knobdoodle Guest

    That's where you and Barack Obama differ:


    (No it's not Rick Astley)
     
    knobdoodle, Mar 16, 2009
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  7. In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:58:36 +1100

    I haven't, but the people who have say it's nippy and enjoyable.

    You could ask for some pointers on the forum at guzzitech.com too.

    The Breva 750 has been around for a while, there's 2nd hand examples
    with good bits around.

    Else consider the V7 classic which is the same motor but in a very
    versatile package, make it what you want it to be!

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Mar 16, 2009
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    Nev.. Guest

    Why would the early GPSs be any less accurate than modern ones?
    Taking selective availability out of the equation, because it was a
    function of the transmitter, not the receiver, what has changed?
    Processor speed might be improved now, which would allow for faster
    calculations (but given that the satellite information being is
    transmitted at a mere 50bps it's not like the unit is going to be
    buffering loads of data). Why would the results of the positionnig
    calculations be any different?

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
    '08 DL1000K8
     
    Nev.., Mar 16, 2009
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  9. I haven't noticed, but I will have a closer look tomorrow

    Cheers
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    Cheers
    The Happy Drunk
    K100RT
     
    The Happy Drunk, Mar 16, 2009
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    jl Guest

    How *can* you trust an irrational number ?

    JL
     
    jl, Mar 16, 2009
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  11. From what I've already read, it seems to fit all my needs ....... I
    just need the money and to find out if it fits me :)
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    Cheers
    The Happy Drunk
    K100RT
     
    The Happy Drunk, Mar 16, 2009
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    Knobdoodle Guest

    [applause]
     
    Knobdoodle, Mar 16, 2009
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  13. In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:21:44 +1100
    HUnt down your local Guzzi club - should be able to find one there to
    talk about and sit on.

    Start at http://www.motoguzziclubqld.org/ and check the links section
    if you aren't in Qld.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Mar 16, 2009
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    theo Guest

    Huh? Are you relying on your starter-motor brushes for an earth return
    or something?

    Theo
     
    theo, Mar 16, 2009
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    knobdoodle Guest

    Yep. It's wierd but it's a simple way of taking your headlight and
    the rest of the ancilliary load out of circuit when you engage the
    starter-motor.
    I thought Al was smoking canetoads when he explained it here but it
    happened on my K75 so I'm now a spreader of the word......
     
    knobdoodle, Mar 17, 2009
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    Boxer Guest

    Yep. It's wierd but it's a simple way of taking your headlight and
    the rest of the ancilliary load out of circuit when you engage the
    starter-motor.
    I thought Al was smoking canetoads when he explained it here but it
    happened on my K75 so I'm now a spreader of the word......
    --
    Clem


    Common knowledge amongst the Beemerphile

    ..

    Boxer
     
    Boxer, Mar 17, 2009
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    theo Guest

    OK, I can dig that. The Guzzi headlight is not on unless the engine is
    running. But isn't that eventually going to hurt the starter motor
    commutator?

    Theo
    Bloody weird Germans.
     
    theo, Mar 17, 2009
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    alx Guest

    Never claiming as such...everything has inaccuracies, except.. Of
    course, speed cameras are infallible...
    Much less a problem...GPS chipsets are significantly more sensitive,
    along with the inbuilt firmware/smarts that discounts erroneous
    readings.

    Old GPS would be lucky to get a fix under a damp/wet forest
    canopy..contemporary ones can get a fix even in a plane...window seat
    preferable. The GPS in my N82 will casually get a fix, even indoors..
    5 or more satellites no probs. Outdoors..acquiring 9 or more is not
    unusual.

    The chipsets have really developed in the past 3 years SIRFII >
    SIRFIII and my fav MTK chipsets. (eg Qstarz). The phone GPS
    performance is not far behind the MTK's. I dont use dedicated GPS
    devices but certainly performance compared with even 3-4 years ago is
    improved. My ancient circa-mid90's unit needed clear sky and several
    minutes just to get a warm fix.
    Oh I thought you were rolling down the hill to get multiple rotations
    and reduce measurement error.
     
    alx, Mar 17, 2009
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  19. In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:54:10 -0700 (PDT)
    The running lights are, but don't draw much.

    Mind you, I don't understand why there are running lights *and* no
    headlight switch.

    I'm rather tempted to fit a headlight switch if I could work out where
    and how.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Mar 17, 2009
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    CrazyCam Guest

    In a sense you are right.

    Once the deliberate "fuzzying' was removed, they were pretty much as
    accurate as the modern ones, except, in the early '90s there were not as
    many satellites to listen to.

    They were also, typically, much less user friendly so you actually had
    to understand a bit about navigation.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Mar 17, 2009
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