The NSW EPA gets better and better

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Zebee Johnstone, Jul 13, 2004.

  1. The whole noise thing gets funnier. Or sadder, depening on how much
    water is in your glass I guess.

    Not very long ago at all, a gentleman bought a brand new 2004 model
    Kawasaki, a ZX12 I believe. With the stationary noise test label clear
    on the frame as required by ADRs.

    He was stopped, fined, and defected.

    Why? Because the stationary noise level as allowed by the latest ADR
    for bikes that conform to the European standard for exhaust noise is not
    the same as allowed by everyone's favourite state agency.

    Yup, this brand new bike is illegal to ride on NSW roads in stock trim.

    And can't be modified to make it legal without voiding the warranty, and
    quite probably *can't* be made legal at the moment, aftermarket bits not
    being available, and no information as to what restricting the exhaust
    will do to the fuel mapping and ignition curves.

    The owner is taking it back to the dealer, and demanding a full refund,
    plus they pay his fines. It was not "fit for purpose" as sold to him, a
    citizen of NSW, in NSW.

    So here we have a new bike, meeting all federal requirements, legal in
    all states but NSW.... And it's quite probable that it's not just
    ZX12s! If you are in NSW and planning to buy a new bike, make sure the
    dealer promises in writing that it is fully legal to ride on the road in

    Zebee Johnstone, Jul 13, 2004
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  2. Zebee Johnstone

    Dale Porter Guest

    I assume to get the dealers to hound and beat the EPA into submission?
    Dale Porter, Jul 13, 2004
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  3. Get him to Contact Michael Richardson (NSW Shadow minister for the
    environment) (speak to Guy first - he may already have done it).

    Stan Gifford - APAC command centre manager, Jul 13, 2004
  4. This getting fscking absurd!

    Don't think I'll be bringing my bike anywhere near NaziSouthWales for
    a while ...

    Kevin Gleeson, Jul 13, 2004
  5. Zebee Johnstone

    manson Guest

    No this is seriously good news..... :)
    Do we know by whom? Cops EPA?
    Seems a reasonable ask.....
    Can't see their sticker-tax surviving something as stupid as this.

    manson, Jul 13, 2004
  6. Zebee Johnstone

    DaZZa Guest

    Sounds like a classic case for the likes of "Today Tonight" or "A
    Current Affair".

    Any actual proof of this available online? Reported anywhere?

    DaZZa, Jul 13, 2004
  7. So, we have speeding fine nazis in Vic, exhaust nazis in NSW, what Nazis
    have the other state governments got up their sleeves?
    James Mayfield, Jul 13, 2004
  8. Sounds like a classic case for the likes of "Today Tonight" or "A
    In all seriousness, this is a BRILLIANT idea. They would take this on, for
    James Mayfield, Jul 13, 2004
  9. Zebee Johnstone

    gco0307 Guest

    I would be interested to find out where this occurred to see if the problem
    appears specific to one region (ie. North Region) as I have had no problems
    with this type of harrassment since moving to the Illawarra region.

    Before moving however I lived on the Central Coast and was always pulled
    over for 'random vehicle' or licence checks when on the bike. Never did this
    occur when I was in the car.

    Whilst the rules are there it takes someone to enforce them and if it can be
    shown that the enforcement is not statewide but is limited to only a small
    area then a case of over zelousness (or harrasment of a minority group) can
    be shown and the MCC could take this up.

    Maybe we as a group or the MCC could seek feedback as to how widespread the
    issue is.

    gco0307, Jul 13, 2004
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    BMWR1100Smee Guest

    Yer that Dollar would make all the difference in the grand scheme of
    BMWR1100Smee, Jul 13, 2004
  11. Zebee Johnstone

    conehead Guest

    I look forward to reading about it in the SMH
    conehead, Jul 13, 2004
  12. Zebee Johnstone

    conehead Guest

    Woodchip industry nazis in Tasmania
    conehead, Jul 13, 2004
  13. Zebee Johnstone

    sanbar Guest

    Perth is further north than Sydney ...
    - sanbar
    sanbar, Jul 13, 2004
  14. What is the legal standard for exhaust noise in NSW? Can it be expressed
    in dB? Would this tell me whether my new bike is legal?
    Stephen Calder, Jul 13, 2004
  15. In on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:13:02 GMT

    I believe it's expressed as compliance with a *given* ADR. ADR39 or 39a,
    can't recall.

    Effectively, 94dB.

    The new ADR uses the Euro driveby test, but crucially doesn't give an
    upper limit for the stationary test if the driveby is passed. And some
    bikes pass the driveby but have a louder stationary than 94.

    Your bike should have an ADR sticker or plate with the stationary
    measurement on it. If it's more than 94dB, then you can be fined and
    your bike defected in NSW.

    Zebee Johnstone, Jul 13, 2004
  16. Zebee Johnstone

    alx Guest

    Yes, well... and another NSW statutory body is more than happy to also take the money and REGISTER the bike for road use in NSW.

    RTA and EPA .... what a bunch of clowns.


    A Current Affair

    Today Tonight
    alx, Jul 14, 2004
  17. Zebee Johnstone

    alx Guest

    I look forward to seeing it on TV.

    Current Affair etc. love this kind of bureaucratic bungling stuff.
    alx, Jul 14, 2004
  18. Zebee Johnstone

    Centurion Guest

    Erm....bugger. My '9 has a noise compliance sticker saying it should have a
    KHI445 exhaust system (which it does - ie, stock) and stationary noise
    reading of 96db. Ummm, am I screwed now, or is it ok coz it was legal back
    in 2002 when I bought it? (Shaddup Nev).

    Centurion, Jul 14, 2004
  19. Was checking tyres the other day and read the exhaust sticker for the
    first time, 93.5dB on standard Busa so there's no way those Yoshi's
    are going to get through NSW ...

    So how often and where are they doing noise checks in NSW?

    Kevin Gleeson, Jul 14, 2004
  20. Zebee Johnstone

    Centurion Guest

    Where in the Illawarra are you? If you get around in the Lake Illawarra
    patrol or Dapto Highway patrol areas (HWP do the F6 to basically Waterfall,
    and Lake Ill. handle almost anything south of about Kanahooka) you might
    get some attention - usually during summer though. I've been pulled over a
    few times, twice within 20min one day, but they're usually fairly quick
    about the whole thing....doesn't stop me getting the shits though. Still,
    if it weeds out the unlicensed wankers I guess it's a good thing.

    BTW - you checked out some of the "good" rides down this way? If not
    contact me off-list and I'd be happy for an excuse to cruise around the
    mountains with you :) james AT grayonline [dot] id {dot} au

    Centurion, Jul 14, 2004
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