They Came For Me

In light of the implications in the post "It's Happening".. I'd remind
everyone of a thought that might be appropriate..

They came for the stunt bikers and I did not speak out because I am not a
stunt biker..

They came for the ones with the loud pipes and I did not speak out because I
don't have loud pipes..

Then they came for the cruisers and I did not speak out because I don't ride
a cruiser..

They came for the bikers who wear leather and headbands .. I did not speak
out because I don't wear those kinds of clothing..

They came for me and there was no one left to speak out..

Aside from the fact that no one is left to speak out..many of the so-called
motorcyclists have blissfully gone on their merry way with criticism for the
ones who have spoken out, loud and clearly.. I'd guesstimate that the ones
who have spoken out... no.. no. not just spoken out.. they have fought long
and furiously to gain the few rights and freedoms to ride the motorcycles of
their choice.. have been made up of 90% of the claimed "outlaw" or
"bad-assed " biker's .. The possible remaining 10% who have fought alongside
of them have been the brothers and sister of the other categories of
motorcycles..

Those brothers and sisters have the maturity to realize that unless we have
advocates in our national and state capitols, we will be curtailed and
eventually diminished .. Highways will be forbidden for us to ride on.. Our
motorcycles will be banned from those roadways we've built and supported
since the beginning.. Those brothers and sisters with maturity and wisdom
are to be commended and appreciated..

The ninny's who endorse and approve the encroachment of government influence
on their freedom are to be pitied, because they'll never fully enjoy or
appreciate the total enjoyment of their chosen pre-occupation with the
motorcycling community of brotherhood...

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

been away for a while so I've forgotten if ya'll like top-posting or
bottom-posting, so go ahead and let me know.

Albert, there's one little flaw in you statement as far as I'm
concerned. My bike is my chosen means of transportation, it's not a
sport to me or many like me. It's a perfectly legal means to get where
I'm going. When the government sticks their nose into my private
decisions, I'm prone to fight them at every turn. And so should we all.

Mike Alvey

 

Good to see you Mike.. welcome back..

Your Friend/Brother in Irving
Bill Walker

 

(albert says
When you're on your bike, you're an ambassador for the sport. Instead of
just thinking about how you get your jollies, think about how your
behavior reflects on the sport, and whether or not it leads to less
tolerance for all of us.
Food for thought.

‘‘Albert, there's one little flaw in you statement as far as I'm
concerned. My bike is my chosen means of transportation, it's not a
sport to me or many like me. It's a perfectly legal means to get where
I'm going. When the government sticks their nose into my private
decisions, I'm prone to fight them at every turn. And so should we all.
(Mike Alvey)

‘‘Mike, i agree mostly. I've always maintained that most folks
(90%ers) that ride motorcycles feel it is a sport. The 10%ers are folks
like you, that actually ride a bike daily, rain or shine, cause it's
their means of trans. ( I am guessing at these %'s, but basing it on my
observation here locally) Mike I've been one of the socalled 90%ers for
many years. Therefore I agree some what with ole' Alberto.(grin)
AFA, the government is concerned, yes, they mess with too much stuff,
period.
(my nickels worth, BJAY)’’

 

I also agree with the general statement about general civil behavior.
My point was Bill's point, which wasn't adressed in Albert's reply.
Further to that, we have become a nation of folks blind to the other
man's plight. Our Founders built this nation on the willingness to fight
for the other man's rights whether or not those rights were of value to
each one of them. That's Bill's point I think. We need to go back to
being willing to put effort out for our neighbors rights, in the
interest of all.

Mike Alvey

 

(bjaykana earlier) rote:
‘‘Mike, i agree mostly. I've always maintained that most folks
(90%ers) that ride motorcycles feel it is a sport. The 10%ers are folks
like you, that actually ride a bike daily, rain or shine, cause it's
their means of trans. ( I am guessing at these %'s, but basing it on my
observation here locally) Mike I've been one of the socalled 90%ers for
many years. Therefore I agree some what with ole' Alberto.(grin) AFA,
the government is concerned, yes, they mess with too much stuff, period.
(my nickels worth, BJAY)''


‘‘BJAY,I also agree with the general statement about general
civil behavior. My point was Bill's point, which wasn't adressed in
Albert's reply. Further to that, we have become a nation of folks blind
to the other man's plight. Our Founders built this nation on the
willingness to fight for the other man's rights whether or not those
rights were of value to each one of them. That's Bill's point I think.
We need to go back to being willing to put effort out for our neighbors
rights, in the interest of all.
(Mike Alvey)

‘‘Mike, there you go. Thinking of others rights, is the true
name of the game, as far as being a good citizen, being a gentlemen,
and treating folks in a civil manner, online or in person. Each has the
right to their opinion, and each have the right to disagree. I always
say, be civil with me, and we can maintain an intelligent discussion
allday long. Thanks Mike, glad you came back on here and hopefully we'll
benefit from (some, wink) of your points of views, if not we can talk
about it.’’
(have a nice Thanksgiving, BJAY)!

 

Howdy BJAY,

I got a question. When you say this:

....Are you saying you don't agree with my point of view about standing
up for other folks rights? I ask because of the "(some, wink)" sentence.

If you want to talk, friendly, about it I would certainly be willing.

Anyhow, thanks for the welcome back BJAY. I'll be careful to not to push
my point of view, {wink).

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
Mike

 

(bjaykana earlier) rote:
''Mike, i agree mostly. I've always maintained that most folks
(90%ers) that ride motorcycles feel it is a sport. The 10%ers are folks
like you, that actually ride a bike daily, rain or shine, cause it's
their means of trans. ( I am guessing at these %'s, but basing it on my
observation here locally) Mike I've been one of the socalled 90%ers for
many years. Therefore I agree some what with ole' Alberto.(grin) AFA,
the government is concerned, yes, they mess with too much stuff, period.
(my nickels worth, BJAY)''


''BJAY,I also agree with the general statement about general
civil behavior. My point was Bill's point, which wasn't adressed in
Albert's reply. Further to that, we have become a nation of folks blind
to the other man's plight. Our Founders built this nation on the
willingness to fight for the other man's rights whether or not those
rights were of value to each one of them. That's Bill's point I think.
We need to go back to being willing to put effort out for our neighbors
rights, in the interest of all.
(Mike Alvey)

''Mike, there you go. Thinking of others rights, is the true
name of the game, as far as being a good citizen, being a gentlemen,
and treating folks in a civil manner, online or in person. Each has the
right to their opinion, and each have the right to disagree. I always
say, be civil with me, and we can maintain an intelligent discussion
allday long. Thanks Mike, glad you came back on here and hopefully we'll
benefit from (some, wink) of your points of views, if not we can talk
about it.''
(have a nice Thanksgiving, BJAY)!

For what it's worth.. usenet or newsgroup "talking about it" in gentlemanly
terms, isn't where it's at.. Making a difference on the ground .. taking
action against the politicians that have brought our state and nation where
it is today, is what is going to make the difference.. Going after the
supporters of those corrupt politicians and telling it like it is, will make
a difference..

All this usenet gentlemanly behavior is nonsense.. That's how our country
and state got into this destestible state of affairs.. George Bush and Rick
Perry didn't elect these people to office.. WE did.. And we did it by not
speaking out .. We did it by not supporting the ones who fight for us.. We
did it by pure goddamed stupidity and allowing others to remain
unchallenged.. That's what got our country into an illegal war.. That got us
a president, governor and a corrupt invasion of our Constitution and Bill of
Rights..

George Bush isn't to blame.. the supporter of that moron, the fence
straddlers and mealy mouthed sideliners who are advocating gentlemanly
discussions on usenet are the ones that are to blame ..

Everyone isn't able to be active in participating in the fight to make a
better government .. Too many of us have to provide for our families .. some
are too old, some have other limitations. Now get this.. anyone who is
critical and opposes these proud and brave Warriors who are sacrificing much
to fight that thankless battle on their behalf, doesn't deserve my respect
or "gentlemanly" consideration for them..

Mike Alvey and thousands of others have jeopardized their livelihood and
their health in an effort to make a difference are the ones who need and
deserve your respect and courtesy.. I know this to be a fact.. I've ridden
with Mike Alvey and many others .. They don't ride their motorcycles for the
"sport" of it.. They ride them on missions of trying to make a difference on
behalf of ALL of us.. where it counts.. These men and women have confronted
and challenged corruption at all levels of our government.. They've made a
difference.. little as you'd be led to believe by the ungrateful pussies
that try to insult and minimize them..

Be very careful what you wish for.. Some of these so-called cyber friendlies
of yours just might be your worst enemies..

Bill Walker
Irving

 

‘‘Thanks Mike, glad you came back on here and hopefully we'll
benefit from (some, wink) of your points of views, if not we can talk
about it.''
         (happyThanksgiving to ya)BJAY)!


‘‘Bjay...Are you saying you don't agree with my point of view about
standing up for other folks rights? I ask because of the "(some, wink)"
sentence.
If you want to talk, friendly, about it I would certainly be willing.
Anyhow, thanks for the welcome back BJAY. I'll be careful to not to push
my point of view, {wink).
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
(Mike)

‘‘Mike, I said some(wink), because as you state your opinions on
this group, from time to time, I may not see it your way. probably will
disagree at times, but hope to benefit from some of your stuff.. That's
inevitable.
AFA your comments on this thread, I think I said I mostly agree.
Mike if we talk or dicuss, you can bet your best motorbike boots, I will
be friendly. I am reknoun around these parts for being up front honest
with any poster that treats me in a civil fashion,and I'm pretty dogGone
dern friendly,’’ regards, BJAY)!

 

‘‘Bjay,For what it's worth.. usenet or newsgroup "talking about
it" in gentlemanly terms, isn't where it's at.. Making a difference on
the ground .. taking action against the politicians that have brought
our state and nation where it is today, is what is going to make the
difference.. Going after the supporters of those corrupt politicians and
telling it like it is, will make a difference..
All this usenet gentlemanly behavior is nonsense.. That's how our
country and state got into this destestible state of affairs.. George
Bush and Rick Perry didn't elect these people to office.. WE did.. And
we did it by not speaking out .. We did it by not supporting the ones
who fight for us.. We did it by pure goddamed stupidity and allowing
others to remain unchallenged.. That's what got our country into an
illegal war.. That got us a president, governor and a corrupt invasion
of our Constitution and Bill of Rights..
George Bush isn't to blame.. the supporter of that moron, the fence
straddlers and mealy mouthed sideliners who are advocating gentlemanly
discussions on usenet are the ones that are to blame ..
Everyone isn't able to be active in participating in the fight to make a
better government .. Too many of us have to provide for our families ..
some are too old, some have other limitations. Now get this.. anyone who
is critical and opposes these proud and brave Warriors who are
sacrificing much to fight that thankless battle on their behalf, doesn't
deserve my respect or "gentlemanly" consideration for them..
Mike Alvey and thousands of others have jeopardized their livelihood and
their health in an effort to make a difference are the ones who need and
deserve your respect and courtesy.. I know this to be a fact.. I've
ridden with Mike Alvey and many others .. They don't ride their
motorcycles for the "sport" of it.. They ride them on missions of trying
to make a difference on behalf of ALL of us.. where it counts.. These
men and women have confronted and challenged corruption at all levels of
our government.. They've made a difference.. little as you'd be led to
believe by the ungrateful pussies that try to insult and minimize them..
Be very careful what you wish for.. Some of these so-called cyber
friendlies of yours just might be your worst enemies..
‘‘Bill Walker’’

‘‘Bill, politics and any kind of gorvernment issues on these
types of forums represents a small percentage of what folks come on here
to talk about.
(Some do on here, and some don't on here.) But don't try to tell me,
that if I didnt vote for who you think was the best candidate, that I am
an enemy of America.
It don't make a dern to me why you, or any of those folks you
mention,choose to ride motorbikes. I ride for my own personal reasons,
we all do. I consider my self a motorcyclist, and I call it a sport.
But don't tell me I ride for the wrong reasons. Some of those
hard core riders, you Like to describe, tickle me. I always wonder how
they go to Lowes and buy and haul their stuff home, since they are so
diehard against driving a PickUp cage. ( I like my Chevy Truck)

I responded to Mike, and agreed with his main issue, but threw in one,
of my issues, of which is; treating folks civil even on these types of
forums. and being able to disagree like a gentlemen. ’’
(BJAY)!

 

Bungee chords, BJAY, lots of bungee chords. :^)
Mike

 

''Bjay,For what it's worth.. usenet or newsgroup "talking about
it" in gentlemanly terms, isn't where it's at.. Making a difference on
the ground .. taking action against the politicians that have brought
our state and nation where it is today, is what is going to make the
difference.. Going after the supporters of those corrupt politicians and
telling it like it is, will make a difference..
All this usenet gentlemanly behavior is nonsense.. That's how our
country and state got into this destestible state of affairs.. George
Bush and Rick Perry didn't elect these people to office.. WE did.. And
we did it by not speaking out .. We did it by not supporting the ones
who fight for us.. We did it by pure goddamed stupidity and allowing
others to remain unchallenged.. That's what got our country into an
illegal war.. That got us a president, governor and a corrupt invasion
of our Constitution and Bill of Rights..
George Bush isn't to blame.. the supporter of that moron, the fence
straddlers and mealy mouthed sideliners who are advocating gentlemanly
discussions on usenet are the ones that are to blame ..
Everyone isn't able to be active in participating in the fight to make a
better government .. Too many of us have to provide for our families ..
some are too old, some have other limitations. Now get this.. anyone who
is critical and opposes these proud and brave Warriors who are
sacrificing much to fight that thankless battle on their behalf, doesn't
deserve my respect or "gentlemanly" consideration for them..
Mike Alvey and thousands of others have jeopardized their livelihood and
their health in an effort to make a difference are the ones who need and
deserve your respect and courtesy.. I know this to be a fact.. I've
ridden with Mike Alvey and many others .. They don't ride their
motorcycles for the "sport" of it.. They ride them on missions of trying
to make a difference on behalf of ALL of us.. where it counts.. These
men and women have confronted and challenged corruption at all levels of
our government.. They've made a difference.. little as you'd be led to
believe by the ungrateful pussies that try to insult and minimize them..
Be very careful what you wish for.. Some of these so-called cyber
friendlies of yours just might be your worst enemies..
''Bill Walker''

''Bill, politics and any kind of gorvernment issues on these
types of forums represents a small percentage of what folks come on here
to talk about.

hmmm.. Talk about what you like.. This is an unmoderated forum .. much like
any gathering of Bikers I've fought that war right here on this newsgroup..
This newsgroup isn't anybody's private forum.. I don't know much about a
computer or a WebTV deal that you use, but I do have a good mouse on my rig
and use it a lot.. When I recognize that someone is posting something that I
have no interest in, I use that mouse to move on.. I'd suggest you or anyone
else do the same..

(Some do on here, and some don't on here.) But don't try to tell me,
that if I didnt vote for who you think was the best candidate, that I am
an enemy of America.

I don't remember that I've ever directed you to vote or not vote for
anyone.. Don't know who you voted for, don't care.. On this group, I have
often expressed my own preferences and criticized others.. That is my
right.. LOL..

It don't make a dern to me why you, or any of those folks you
mention,choose to ride motorbikes. I ride for my own personal reasons,
we all do. I consider my self a motorcyclist, and I call it a sport.
But don't tell me I ride for the wrong reasons. Some of those
hard core riders, you Like to describe, tickle me. I always wonder how
they go to Lowes and buy and haul their stuff home, since they are so
diehard against driving a PickUp cage. ( I like my Chevy Truck)

I responded to Mike, and agreed with his main issue, but threw in one,
of my issues, of which is; treating folks civil even on these types of
forums. and being able to disagree like a gentlemen. ''
(BJAY)!

In response to the last couple of paragraphs of your post.. Personally .. I
don't give a rat's ass WHY, you or anyone else ride a motorcycle.. You are
absolutely right.. not my business.. What is my business is when anyone, and
especially a couple of your cyber friendlies spend a lot of bandwidth to try
to out post and play usenet with the very people who ride and fight on their
behalf.. like a dog that bites the hand that feeds them..

Playing usenet is lot's of fun for a couple of your cyber friendlies.. they
bait and troll .. When they are opposed or challenged, they immediately go
into the "he's attacking me mode".. Well .. here's the deal, pard.. you,
your cyber friendlies don't dictate to me what is on my mind and what I'll
talk about.. I've probably posted as many topic posts as anyone on this
newsgroup, over a period of years.. and most certainly more than you have..

If you don't approve of my posts.. use that mouse, which might be a good
idea.. When you attempt to dictate percentages of topic which are acceptable
to you... you are way out of line, and not the first individual or group
that has tried it..

Bill Walker

 

Bjay is trying hard to play usenet like some of his cyber friendlies.. All
of us, including Mike Alvey and the bikers I've described and me.. drive our
four wheeled vehicles when we need to.. You've met Mike, me and some of the
other bikers I've described.. Bjay hasn't and neither have his cyber
friendlies.. As much as they collectively owe these men and women for what
they've contributed to their "sport".. none of them have so much as lifted a
finger to support these men and women.. Rather those cyber friendlies never
miss the opportunity to degrade or minimize the efforts on their behalf..
That's bullshit.. you know it and so do I.. That's my 2c, Beemer.. Wanna
know what, Beemer.. I don't give a rat's ass if anyone likes it or not..

Bill Walker
Irving

 

‘‘Bill,But don't tell me I ride for the wrong reasons.    
Some of those hard core riders, you Like to describe, tickle me. I
always wonder how they go to Lowes and buy and haul their stuff home,
since they are so diehard against driving a PickUp cage. ( I like my
Chevy Truck)
BJAY)!

‘‘Bungee chords, BJAY, lots of bungee chords. :^) Mike)

‘‘Oh yeah, Mike, I've tied on many things with BCords. I've
tied stuff around my waste, every which of way but loose.
But, my point is: I've heard guys on here, say I RIDE my bike, period.
Dont put but 2,000 miles a year on my CAGE.
I am sure there's some that do. But being I have other responsibilities,
like mend the fences, and paint the barns, and buy the little Lady a new
Dish Washer, I drive my Chevy Truck I always wonder what those real
Bikers do in some of these cases. I've had guys argue with me,saying if
they can't get it on the Bike, they don't need it.
(chuckle, by BJAY)!

 

‘‘BEEMER, Bjay is trying hard to play usenet like some of his
cyber friendlies.. All of us, including Mike Alvey and the bikers I've
described and me.. drive our four wheeled vehicles when we need to..
You've met Mike, me and some of the other bikers I've described.. Bjay
hasn't and neither have his cyber friendlies.. As much as they
collectively owe these men and women for what they've contributed to
their "sport".. none of them have so much as lifted a finger to support
these men and women.. Rather those cyber friendlies never miss the
opportunity to degrade or minimize the efforts on their behalf.. That's
bullshit.. you know it and so do I.. That's my 2c, Beemer.. Wanna know
what, Beemer.. I don't give a rat's ass if anyone likes it or not..
(Bill Walker)

‘‘Bill, first,you know I have complimented you and Elmer many
times when you guys post stuff that ya'll say has helped make the
motorcycle sport better, here in our great state of Texas. I respond to
every political post you do, you never acknowlede any of mine. No big
deal.
I have admitted that I am probably a welfare Rider. I've admitted i
don't do well in any kind of organized political unions.. I told Mike,
and have stated many times, that I am one upfront Honest fella.

Bill, we all come on here for entertainment, no doubt in my mind. Bill,
in my opinion, you are undoubtedly one of the best at playing this
usenet game. Hell, I admire your tactics, I've told you so. I can tell
when you are trying to stir up some fun, by your skillful methods. AND
there ain't nothing wrong with that, pard.

Man, I wish you would name the ones on here, that you would say are your
cyber friendlies, surely you have some. Surely you would call the ones
you've met here, a cyber friend or friendly. (no?)

I told this group several times, that i consider any poster on here, to
be a online friendly, who treats me with some bit of respect. You,
Brian, any one. You, on the other hand, seem to mark folks off your
friendlies list, if they disagree with (you), with determination. This
is my personal obervational, unbiased opinion.
(regards to ya, BJAY)!

 

‘‘Bjay, If you don't approve of my posts.. use that mouse, which
might be a good idea.. When you attempt to dictate percentages of topic
which are acceptable to you... you are way out of line, and not the
first individual or group that has tried it..
Bill Walker)!

‘‘Bill, Shoot,I enjoy each and every post of yours. I don't
always agree, and will respond to tell you why. I ain't one bit out of
line, pard. You aren't either. what does that mean? Am I out of line,
for stating my views and wanting to discuss my issues? huh? come on,
don't be so narrow minded. BJAY)!