thought experiment

Nev.. · Nov 16, 2003

sharkey said:

I'd never ride without clean undies ...
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Billy Connolly says it's a waste of time. If you get hit by the proverbial
bus, first you think it, then you say it, then you do it.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R
'02 CBR1100XX

Doug Cox · Nov 16, 2003

Mike.S said:

When you can get over 50km/h they may be not quite enough.
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Enough for what?...

Doug Cox.
Work to ride, Ride to work...

Damien · Nov 16, 2003

Of course that should be AS not ADR.
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Of course! It's okay, we knew what you meant.

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600

Damien · Nov 16, 2003

Hah hah; and besides, it was really a "response" so much as and aside!
Clem
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Never mind Clem, it's the though that counts, so thank you anyway.

Damien (another one line post for Clem)
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600

Hamish Alker-Jones · Nov 16, 2003

Does anyone actually read Damian posts?
All I can ever manage is the first and last sentences.
(P'raps I just have a short attention span...)
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'ss funny, I just did the same thing. Saw the Aust Standards and didn't
continue....

Hammo

Hamish Alker-Jones · Nov 16, 2003

Of course that should be AS not ADR.
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Why? When does AS = compulsory?

Hammo

Hamish Alker-Jones · Nov 16, 2003

What's wrong with jeans, hiking boots?

Adrian
CT-110
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They aren't embossed with "Alpinestars" and "Draggin Jeans". HTH!

Hammo

Zebee Johnstone · Nov 16, 2003

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:54:40 +1100

Hamish Alker-Jones said:

Why? When does AS = compulsory?
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Did you not see the bit you quoted following the "and"?

Zebee

John Littler · Nov 16, 2003

paulh said:

'sfunny... I've seen 300 and was wearing jeans and hiking boots.. seemed enough
at the time
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Ditto for 200ish

JL
(bandit ain't as quick as a 'busa

Hamish Alker-Jones · Nov 16, 2003

"Alan Pennykid" wrote

Saw a blokey sort of bloke on Thursday avo. About 50'ish, navy blue
singlet, stubbies, beer gut, seriously receding hairline, driving a
brand new 5 series BMW convertible.

I'll bet he didn't tell his mates. "Nah mate, go the V8 Commodore".

Theo
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I didn't know you were in your fifties, Theo?

Hammo

Theo Bekkers · Nov 17, 2003

I didn't know you were in your fifties, Theo?
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I'm not. Fifties were so last year.

Theo

sharkey · Nov 17, 2003

Sayeth Silmaril said:

Will do.
Apart from free fireworks, any other problems with em?
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The metal hooks dig into the vinyl seat, mostly. And
it's hard to tuck your jeans into your boots!

-----sharks

sharkey · Nov 17, 2003

Sayeth paulh said:

'sfunny... I've seen 300 and was wearing jeans and hiking boots..
seemed enough at the time
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Yeah? Mine exploded into a shower of white-hot metal as
soon as I hit 88 miles per hour!

-----sharks

Nev.. · Nov 17, 2003

sharkey said:

Yeah? Mine exploded into a shower of white-hot metal as
soon as I hit 88 miles per hour!
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so that's the reason you choose to ride the XLV... so your hiking boots won't
explode.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R
'02 CBR1100XX

Theo Bekkers · Nov 17, 2003

"Intact Kneeslider" wrote

In Theo's defence, he_is_a Benz man. All that Bavarian shit
must look alike to him.

Where the hell was the Mercedes HQ again? Augsburg? Or was
that Messerschmitt?
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Benz started in Manheim, Daimler in Cannstatt. They did experiment with
manufacture in Oz around 1958. I have the ID plate from Mercedes number 2
made in Oz. Mercedes was Mercedes Jellinek.

"Jellinek, convinced that this new design would be a big hit on the market,
ordered 36 cars with a total value of 550,000 gold marks, on the condition
that he be made sole agent for the sales of these cars in certain countries.
Daimler agreed and also accepted Jellinek's proposal to name the cars after
his daughter 'Mercedes'. The name caught on so well that soon it was used
for all Daimler vehicles."

Theo

Julie and Deb · Nov 17, 2003

bob said:

aswell. Heard too many stories of people getting a wire brush taken to the
skin,
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Plastic brush, not bloody wire...

Julie [frequent wielder of plastic brush]

Damien · Nov 17, 2003

Plastic brush, not bloody wire...

Julie [frequent wielder of plastic brush]
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Wouldn't it be bloody plastic too?

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600

Hamish Alker-Jones · Nov 17, 2003

On 17/11/03 6:30 PM, in article

Julie [frequent wielder of plastic brush]
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Not the infamous womb-broom?

Hammo

conehead · Nov 17, 2003

Thread successfully hijacked, Captain!

--
Conehead
Nugget my starfish, you burly oafs!

Knobdoodle said:

Does anyone actually read Damian posts?
All I can ever manage is the first and last sentences.
(P'raps I just have a short attention span...)
--
Clem
[cynicism is all tool rampart]
~

Damien said:

Is there an Australian Standard for bike safety gear, other than for
helmets? If the government were to make safety gear compulsory, there would
have to be Australian Standards for each and every item, in order to ensure
that it met the governments standard for minimum levels of safety (otherwise
people could just chuck on any old jacket, and claim they are meeting the
minimum safety requirements). Since it is a cost that manufacturers don't
currently have, prices will rise as the compliance costs are factored in.
Yes, manufacturers do currently test their products, but not according to
any official standards, and there would likely be significant costs involved
with modifying their testing procedures to meet such standards. If nothing
else, there would be the costs of simply having to fill out so much more
paperwork for the government to show how safe their gear is.

It would be doubtful there would be a significant drop in prices due to more
people buying gear, since most people have it already - they just choose not
to wear it (for whatever reason). There will undoubtably be _some_ increase
in people buying gear, just not enough to significantly affect prices. And
certainly not enough to offset the cost increases of compliance with the new
standards that would have to be introduced. Of course, people would likely
have to go and buy new gear anyway, since their old gear wouldn't legally
meet the standards, but this would be offset by manufacturers having to
throw away all products made but not sold that also didn't legally meet the
standards.

Which brings up the potential issue of compensation to manufacturers and
owners for the tens of millions of dollars of existing safety gear that
would be rendered illegal upon introduction of such legislation, due to
their non-compliance with the new Australian Standards for those items.

And regardless of what happened to prices, we'd have several years advance
notice before the introduction of such legislation anyway. It takes time to
develop standards, and more time to develop testing procedures to measure
compliance with the standards (not to mention all the time required to
determine what sort of gear was going to be required in the first place!),
not to mention the establishment of the required bureaucracy to oversee the
whole process. And then once that is all done, manufacturers need to be
given sufficient time to test their products to ensure compliance, as well
as time to manufacture sufficient quantities to meet the demand that may be
created by the introduction of the legislation. And until we can all walk
into any bike store and buy head-to-toe safety gear that complied with
relevant Australian Standards, there is no way the government could even
consider making the wearing of such gear compulsory.

When you look at it like that, it hardly seems like an issue that we'll need
to worry about for quite some time, if ever. I think that once the
government takes a good hard look at it (if they ever get that far on the
issue!), they'll quickly decide it's just not worth worrying about after
all - too much time, too much money.

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600
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conehead · Nov 17, 2003

Deevo said:

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It wouldn't. If it got to that point I'd seriously think of leaving the
country. I can live with minimum standards even if I don't necessarily
agree with them but at the end of the day it's the nut holding the bars
that's the crucial safety component. Anyone who believes otherwise is
fooling themselves.
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie
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I would have thought that going to Geraldton _was_ leaving the country!

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