Timing retardation eliminators?

I've seen them advertised on eBay for my Gixer 1000, and am curious as
to just how much of a difference one makes to the driveability of the
bike once fitted. At 27 quid they seem to be a bit of a bargain if they
does all they claim in the description.

Can anyone who's bought and fitted one give me more of a clue?

 

I haven't, but let me know your findings once you do.
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Ace said...

I might just risk 27 quid and find out for myself. I'll lend you it so
you can try for yourself before buying, if I think it makes a
significant difference.

 

Lozzo wrote

Depends how far it retards it and how spot on your bike was in the first
place.

Snake oil imho.

 

steve auvache said...

Apparently the ignition is retarded in 1st and 2nd to help eliminate
wheelies under hard acceleration, the TRE bypasses this and allows the
engine to function as it would in any other gear, making it harder
accelerating. Some claim to also smooth the power delivery and make the
bike more rideable, as the throttle can be a little bit on/off at low
speed. Some also do away with the top speed restrictor, allowing the
bike to go over the "gentlemen's agreement" 186mph, not that they are
capable of much more than that anyway.

I don't think so, they certainly make a difference but I'm just
wondering if make 27 quid's worth of difference.

 

I've not bought one, but basically they set the resistance on a few
wires to fool the bike into thinking it's always in 4th gear, no dulling
down of the engine in the lower gears, and no electronically limited top
speed in 6th.

 

ginge said...

I know what they do, I'm just wondering if it's really worth buying one.

 

Lozzo wrote

Yebbut an digital throttle is inherent in these new fangled high revving
multicylinder jobbies. It is one of their few delights.

If 50% throttle is going to deliver enough grunt lift the front wheel
then why tamper with the effect at 80% is the way I see it.[1]

Mind you if yer right wrist was doing what it ought to be doing and
concentrating on the job in hand this wouldn't be an issue would it?



[1] I feel there is much to be said for examining manufacturers settings
in this respect and many bikes could be turned down even more when the
power simply wasn't usable but then that is traction control and that is
a heinous crime and I reject it utterly.

 

Sixpence worth of resistors and a couple of matchsticks will do the same
job.

 

This was mentioned on here a long time ago. Mr Gower had one on his
GSXR1000 IIRC. The circuit diagram was printed as well. My mate has one on
his Busa. All I can remember is it running poor in neutral because it
overrides this setting as well as the first three gears.

 

eric the brave said...

I'd buy one. I want it to be right if I'm going to do it at all.

 

Frag has one on his VStrom, IIRC
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I have one on my VStrom - I took it off, then put it back on - it is better
with it on..
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This old chestnut again.

Look here:
http://sportsbike.org/technical/tre.htm

It does make a difference, the throttle is certainly snappier on the K1.

 

Yes, I've got a switchable one.

 

A few of the Zephyristi have them fitted and reckon they make quite a
difference.

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Molly said...

Did you buy or make yours?

 

I bought it from the states for about £25,

 

No.

Ask Crescent for their opinion, seriously. Do you really want 1st,
2nd and 3rd to be more snatchy? Ignore any claims of extra power,
it's bollocks.

I'll also put my faith in Suzuki applying the retard for a good
reason. Probably based on feedback from test riders that know far
more than you or I about the ridability of a bike.

 

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:08:14 -0000, "Molly"

Why would you want a throttle like an on/off switch right when you're
getting on the power out of a corner?