[QUOTE="ginge"] OK, let's use the new Derby City Royal Hospital as an example of PFI cock ups. They've got a shiny new hopsital, with all the new fangled medical toys, but they've not sorted the road infrastructure.. at all. They have 1200 beds but not even enough parking for the staff. The options for public transport across the city are a joke, and improving this was never in scope. The nursing school accomodation was completely overlooked.. oops! During shift changes the access roads pretty much block the entrance and ambulance access to A&E... oops! They should have budgeted for road infrastructure improvements, multi storey parking, and some form of shuttle bus service, for starters. Sure it's a decent hospital by all accounts, but you first have to get inside the place to make use of it. I'd not like to be the person needing to make that last 500 yards A&E during rush hour when all the access roads are blocked. So, they're now not knocking down the old hospital it was supposed to replace, because that still can fill a huge gap that the new one can't.[/QUOTE] Rather obviously everything you describe relates to incompetence or prior design in the NHS and Civil Service/Govmint, not to the concept of PFI, so I don't know why you bothered. I know of two other hospital PFI's where fuckwits tried to restrict the building of parking to force staff to use public transport/cycles/feet. Fortunately superior minds prevailed. I've even heard it suggested that patients should be forced to travel the same way.