Truckers

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Ben, May 27, 2008.

  1. Ben

    Ben Guest

    Whinging again, I see.

    What makes them so special? If the costs of doing business in my
    industry rise, we have to cut our costs elsewhere or pass them onto
    our customers. Why shouldn't haulage firms have to do this?

    And saying that foreign firms can undercut them is a non-argument,
    IMO. We have to compete with foreign outsourcing companies
    undercutting us to the tune of about 90% on a daily rate. Can't see
    the IT industry begging the government to lower tax, we just make sure
    we can do it better.
     
    Ben, May 27, 2008
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  2. The main problem as I see it, is that many owner-operators are/were
    taking home only about £300 per week, and a rise of about £250 in the
    weekly cost of filling the tank is a killer blow for many of them.
    The larger companies with a bit of muscle will be able to ride it out
    and negotiate increased charges, but the small guys are fucked up the
    arse, again.
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    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 27, 2008
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  3. Ben

    central Guest

    Which is why they all put a fuel escalator clause in their contracts.
    Well. all the smart ones, anyway.
     
    central, May 27, 2008
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  4. Ben

    Colin Irvine Guest

    The main problem as I see it is that the number of goods-miles
    travelled by road needs to be reduced, which in turn means fewer
    lorries and drivers. I don't know how this can be managed other than
    by market forces such as rising fuel costs.
     
    Colin Irvine, May 27, 2008
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    Tim Guest

    What I don't understand is at work we have a manager who gets really
    annoyed that folks would rather join a phone/video conference than sit
    in the traffic for 2 hours to visit face-to-face.
     
    Tim, May 27, 2008
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  6. Ben

    Ofnuts Guest

    There are financial products to protect one's rear (or company rear)
    against unforeseen increase or decrease of commodity prices. Airlines
    buy them by the truckload. However, when nothings happens, the big
    companies don't give a hoot but the small truck owner would feel ripped
    off. The same is also true of agricultural products, btw, and not also
    not used by the farmers, for about the same reasons.
     
    Ofnuts, May 27, 2008
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  7. Ben

    Colin Irvine Guest

    No sensible rebuttal to offer?

    As it happens there is already a growing trend to buy local produce,
    which I assume is only the thin edge of the wedge. As fuel costs
    become prohibitive so manufacturers and suppliers will redesign their
    working methods to involve less transport.
     
    Colin Irvine, May 27, 2008
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    Fr Jack Guest

    I thought they already did.
     
    Fr Jack, May 27, 2008
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  9. Ben

    Ben Guest

    Don't be so dense. It's a business, and like any other business if
    the cost of performing it is more than you're charging for it then you
    either charge more or lower your costs. Expecting someone else to
    lower your costs for you is a bit cheeky.

    And anyway, suppose the government had a sudden fit of generosity and
    removed all tax from fuel. The fuel is still going to go up in price
    and in a couple of years, they'd be back where they are now. And
    there'd be nothing to cut off it.

    They should buy cheaper trucks, lower wages, be more efficient in
    their route planning, I dunno what else, I don't work in that
    industry. But there are always ways of cutting costs.

    And if you can't, then you don't stay in business. Dead simple.
    Businesses are not charities.
    The industry sector doesn't matter. A business is a business and if
    they can't make money, then they don't stay in business. Simple.
     
    Ben, May 27, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    <sigh>
    as our mainline rail network is close to capacity that would mean a
    shrinking economy.

    What we need is a huge increase and a subsequently much larger economy.
    About the only underused potential capacity is costal shipping, if you
    moved some industry sectors to the coast.

    Not a problem as long as the freight moves at night, load sizes are
    optimised/consolidated and point to point routing is used, along with
    efficient engines and particulate traps.

    Some of the long haul railfreight capacity does need huge works. Pretty
    much all container traffic from/to Northern England, Scotland, NI and
    Wales up and down the main trunk routes should be moving by rail/sea.
    Use the M6/M74 and A1 and this is patently not happening.
     
    Hog, May 27, 2008
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  11. Ben

    Hog Guest

    Oi Monz want to buy a couple of 40 tonners with me?
     
    Hog, May 27, 2008
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  12. Ben

    Hog Guest

    Transport sector, local and long haul, has needed effective regulation
    for a long long long time. It has never recieved it. A proper operator
    licencing scheme. Covering all things from driving standards to truck
    maintenance to financial viability and customer service.
     
    Hog, May 27, 2008
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    SteveH Guest

    What pisses me off about the protest (and I got stuck behind the inbreds
    on the M4 today) is that they have been asking the public to join their
    protests and looking for the support of the general public, but are
    willing to sell us all down the river by accepting an 'essential users
    rebate' whilst the rest of us carry on paying full whack.
     
    SteveH, May 27, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Acceptable shrinkage IMHO.
    WE don't NEED anything of the sort, however much you might wish it..
     
    Colin Irvine, May 27, 2008
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  15. Ben

    Hog Guest

    Thats all very well for a retired accountant with a pension. It's no
    fucking use for anyone of working age, particularly those under 30. You
    grow and develop or you die in this business world.

    OTOH the population of the UK is about 150% of where I would like to see
    it so as you were.
     
    Hog, May 27, 2008
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    Catman Guest

    Good lord. Is it?

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    Catman, May 27, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    That's my understanding as well. I think the problem is trains of very
    different speeds trying to share the same track. However, I'm sure an
    expert will be along shortly to put us right!
     
    Colin Irvine, May 27, 2008
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    The simple solution to over population of GB is to seperate the
    rubbish from the rest.

    We could start by giving them their own parliaments so they're the
    only ones that can vote on matters concerning their country and then
    let them stand on their own two feet without any subsidies from the
    rest of the us and without any right to vote on things that don't
    affect *their country*.

    Sound ideal? It would be if the cunts didn't want the best of both
    fucking worlds and expect to be allowed to vote on external affairs
    and receive subsidies from other countries.
     
    Andy Bonwick, May 27, 2008
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  19. Ben

    Hog Guest

    He did that some weeks ago.
     
    Hog, May 27, 2008
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  20. That's a bit of a false economy though, isn't it.
    That's clearly already happening for owner/operators.
     
    Sean Hamerton, May 27, 2008
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