Tyres... again!

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Greybeard, Aug 24, 2007.

  1. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    My Trumpet is supposed to have 170/60ZR17 on the arse end.
    Can I fit, 180/55ZR17 instead? I fancy the wider tyre with the lower
    profile. By my checking, there is very little in it.
    I'd appreciate the input from you clever lot.
    Oh, I'm looking at Avon Storms.

    TIA.

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    Greybeard, Aug 24, 2007
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  2. Greybeard

    platypus Guest

    What outcome do you expect from this? If it's a recommended fit, fine, but
    if you're doing unofficial chassis development work, you may need to let
    your insco know.
    This lot? Be serious.
    The Severn Bore might be more interesting.
     
    platypus, Aug 24, 2007
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  3. Greybeard

    ginge Guest

    Assuming the rubber even goes on the rim the rear will have a 3mm
    shorter sidewall, so the bike will be geared down very slightly, and the
    steering angle will be slightly increased potentially slowing the
    steering.

    No fucking idea if it'd actually do anything *noticable* to the
    handling, but that's the measurable difference.
     
    ginge, Aug 24, 2007
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  4. 3mm is hardly going to make much difference to the steering angle, is
    it?

    Seems to me that fitting the wrong tyre will have more affect the
    handling than a minute change in SA, no doubt about that. I suspect that
    putting a wide tyre on a narrow rim is going to make the actual profile
    a little sharper than if it were on the right rim. What this does to
    the handling will depend on whether the new profile is flatter, rounder
    or even exactly the same as the one it replaces and way the design of
    the tyre allows for the stresses not designed into it to be distributed.
    On the whole I think it is a bad idea, riding gods may have different
    opinions.
     
    steve auvache, Aug 25, 2007
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  5. Greybeard

    Eiron Guest

    The Severn Bore is very interesting if you are surfing and quite interesting
    if you are watching people surfing, especially when they take the inside
    line on corners and get trashed or stuck in trees.

    As for tyres, Avon says a 180 needs a 5.5" or 6" rim so the OP needs to
    check
    his wheel size before deciding that the original size is best.
     
    Eiron, Aug 25, 2007
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  6. Greybeard

    ginge Guest

    In itself, no. But remember, that's unloaded, on a wider tire, so it'll
    probably compress more.. but erm wibble flip dibble do.
     
    ginge, Aug 25, 2007
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  7. Chances are you'll sod up the steering. Make it slower to turn.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 25, 2007
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  8. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    On ukrm? is anybody serious? :eek:)
    Good point, I'll pop over and have a look. When's the one due along?

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    Greybeard, Aug 25, 2007
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  9. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    That's more or less how I looked at it.
    No reason to think the it wouldn't fit though?

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    Greybeard, Aug 25, 2007
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  10. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    Noted.

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    Greybeard, Aug 25, 2007
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  11. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    IIRC rim is 5.5". But I'll double check now.

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    Greybeard, Aug 25, 2007
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  12. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    message
    The way I go round corners nowadays, I doubt it would make any difference
    ;o)

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    Greybeard, Aug 25, 2007
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  13. Greybeard

    ginge Guest

    That all depends on the rim size, ytc. Find out how wide the rim is,
    then check with thetyre manufacturer's web sit what range of witdths the
    tyre you want actually fits on
     
    ginge, Aug 25, 2007
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    Eiron Guest

    Is that a Ginge? We discussed all this last night.
     
    Eiron, Aug 25, 2007
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    Pip Guest

    I've told this story before, but as it is relevant, I'll go again: I
    have an RF900, which takes a 170 rear tyre. The Bandit 12 uses the
    same rear wheel, but takes a 180 rear tyre. The RF, not the finest
    handling bike in the world, can be persuaded around corners at a
    reasonable rate by hanging off a bit, and gassing it right at the
    apex.

    I put the Bandit wheel, with its 180 tyre on the RF. What a fucking
    disaster - it /would not/ turn in to corners, it didn't want to do
    sweepers. It wanted to sit upright for the rest of its life and never
    be leaned over again. Me and it got up close and personal so often
    with local grass verges that we were on first name terms. In short
    the handling went from 7/10 to 3/10, but was instantly restored to its
    previous score when the original wheel and 170 tyre were refitted.

    Nutshell - don't do it.
     
    Pip, Aug 25, 2007
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  16. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    Noted.
    I've since been told by some of the Triumph chaps, that putting the 18 tyre
    on makes no difference to the handling. Apparently, the Daytona uses the 180
    over the 170.
    I'll find out in the future when I fir the 180 I've bought. If I don't like
    it it'll be back to 170 pronot.
    Thanks for the input.

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    Greybeard, Aug 25, 2007
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  17. Greybeard

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I deeply regret not trying a 180 on my TLR for the same reason: it
    took a hefty lean on the bars to turn on the stock 190 and it just
    felt wrong in the wet.
     
    Pip Luscher, Aug 25, 2007
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