[QUOTE="ck"] haha ...........yeah dunno about it's application for mere mortals like us rather than GP teams,[/QUOTE] Glad you took it the way I meant it - I somehow doubt anyone other GP teams would notice - if I'm pushing my tyres that close to the edge on a public road Gerry will be setting up an M60 position... [QUOTE] but noticed it there the other weekend and of course I would imagine it ain't cheap[/QUOTE] yeah cool thanks. I don't mind paying money for things that are dubious I'll actually be able to tell the benefit of, like carbon fibre whatnots, but that's way off into too rarified levels of kidding yourself for me. JL (I'm going to go with the Pilot Powers, I rather liked the Pilot Sports on the TRX)