Unified braking on the '06 FJR1300

So Yamaha has posted to their website the specs on the new FJR1300 and
one of the "improvements" is a unified braking system.

I assume that they mean that if you hit the front or rear brake you get
both, but I'm not sure. Am I right? Why would they do that? On the
other hand, why wouldn't they do that?

Thanks,

Bob
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

 

wrote in @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I do not know about FJR but Honda linked brakes, licensed from MotoGuzzi,
gives 70% front 30% rear when the front brake is applied. It is also the
same ratio when both brakes are applied. When rear brake is used it is 70%
rear 30% front

 

What.

A.

Load.

Of.

Bollocks.
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It is, though, isn't it? A great steaming pile of poo.

 

On the hondas it means hald pull = one brake full pull = both.

So half of the brake lever is front brake. Half of the foot is back brake -
anything more and you get both proportioned out. It works great for the
average Joe - if you thing you are a racer or you want to smike the back
tire it can provide some complications.

 

This is utter and complete bollocks, you know that?

No, you don't, which is why you posted it.

 

Sweet Jesus....

I think the Yanks need to go back to drum brakes and rod linkages,
because it's evidently all they understand.

 

What another load of steaming shite.

How about answering when you're sure of your information, eh?

 

Linus Torvalds said something along those lines about Slashdot recently.

 

Oh, ****, here comes another one.

No, there aren't.

There are three *three* pot calipers.
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger

<counts on fingers>

So that's... Nine pots, right?

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N0EQL says...

I don't know too much about the linked brakes fitted to Hondas, but I do
know you're talking shite.

I hate linked brakes with a passion, no matter who makes them. I will
never own a motorcycle that has them fitted.

 

How are your sooper dooper brakes, at the moment?
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Salad Dodger says...

They still work better than any linked brakes I've ever tried, even with
fucked discs.

 

Completed my research and found that I over stated. Honda did not license
Moto Guzzi's design. Honda DID take the idea from MG and developed their
own link brake system. Guzzi WAS the first bikes offered with link brakes
starting in 1975. My error was in assuming that since MG had them first
that thay had exclusivity. This was not the case.

The discription of breaking ratio's of linked brakes was given to me by
Honda factory rep. If it is incorrect, I was misinformed.

 

To: Master Bike Engineering Firm of Dodger, Platypus, T. O. Gentleman,
Champ, Olson, and Lozzo.

From: Usenet community

RE: linked braking system design and opporation by various motorcycle
manufacturers

Gentlemen

A debate has recently arisen in use net that requires your expertese We
are confident that with your combined supperior intellect you can
enlighten us uninformed. Since you seem to have a clear handle on this
information. Please share the vast wealth of your break system
expertese with us in hopes of settling this dispute.

Await your reply

reeky

 

Guzzi's system, incidentally, didn't use any valves. The fluid on the
two linked brakes (left-hand front and rear calipers) was simply shunted
through a junction box with smaller holes for the rear caliper, to
achieve the 75/25 front/rear distribution. Operation was via the foot
pedal.

The right-hand caliper worked off the handlebar lever, independently of
the foot pedal. In practice, you only ever used it in emergencies. Real
emergencies.

Honda nicked Guzzi's system, lock, stock and barrel, on the 1100
Aspencade. The system they use now is *totally* different from anything
MG or anyone else developed.

It is. You were.

Incidentally, BMW considered linked brakes on the first K100 fours, but
didn't fit them. This was told me by one Stefan Pachernegg, the man who
headed the K project, and who died tragically young of a heart attack.
He was one hell of an engineer.

I remember arguing about the concept with him and me on one side (in
favour) and one Bruce Preston (a bike hack of the era) on t'other, and
BP saying that bike braking was totally different to cars, and me
saying: "No, it's the same" and SP nodding vigorously...

 

Honda also thought they'd invented the single-sided swingarm.

 

It is nice to see that the reeky residents have appointed their
clearest communicator for this onerous task.