[QUOTE="The"] Not quibbling with that price for an 08 machine, but when you can get 07 bikes for £1000 or slightly over: those prices for 06 bikes seem a tad high. Those are asking prices: *not* the same as selling prices. [/QUOTE] So how much do you think you can typically knock off a typical (not an unrealistically high) asking price for a typical machine? I ask because I'm looking for a new bike. The guide prices seem close to the asking prices. 5%? 10%? Regards, Tim B