In uk.rec.motorcycles, darsy belched forth and ejected the following: [QUOTE] any van experts? I've found a rental place quite literally arround the corner from my house, who can rent me a van to take some bikes up to Cadwell for a trackday. They have the following: Transit High Top SWB H 6' L 8' W 5' 6" VW LT35 High Top MWB 1.5 Ton H 6' L 11' W 5'6" any guestimates as to how many bikes I'd get into each of these?[/QUOTE] ISTR you asked the same question last year about a Vivaro.