VIR [Spoilers]

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Will Hartung, Sep 2, 2003.

  1. Will Hartung

    Will Hartung Guest

    Seemed like if one event of the season had to represent the entire season,
    VIR managed to squeeze all of it into one weekend.

    SB1 was Yet Again another shot of glory cut short for Kurtis Roberts who
    managed to stretch a 10 second lead to a 13th place finish with a chunked

    Remarkably, Matt Mladin had apparently zero tire problems as he took off his
    championship hat and put on his race hat to just roar up from behind with
    about five laps to go and easily took the lead and finish. He and Kurtis
    managed to turn the entire race around over the span of a single commercial

    Miguel seemed aggravated by Giovani, at least from his post-race commentary,
    but that didn't seem to mean much as Giovani apparently finished the race 1
    lap earlier than everyone else, letting Miguel and Ben Bostrom rocket by at

    Of course, Sunday was the Day Of Madness with the 5 hours 600 race and
    cancelled FX and SB. Very disappointed, but I do give Kudos to SpeedTV for
    preempting the extra hour so we could actually watch the SS race instead of
    bailing at the start and leaving us with catching the reair later. A good
    battle between Tommy Hayden and Buckmaster, with Hacking playing it VERY
    safe. Then the rain started again.

    I think that most interesting comment heard during the weekend was from
    Nicky Hayden in how he liked the fact that in MotoGP they seem to be more
    decisive about racing in the rain, rather than being wait and see as we are
    here. They just race rain or shine and be done with it. Now, certainly the
    issue with the oil in turns 4 and 5 VASTLY complicated everything, though
    I'm a bit confused as to why. They mentioned that there was a lot of oil,
    and it was very thin, but 4 hours to clean it up?

    Oh well, off to Birmingham. Does it rain in Birmingham in September?


    Will Hartung
    Will Hartung, Sep 2, 2003
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    Chris Cavin Guest

    What preempting? I got one hour of non-race coverage due to the delay,
    then the F3000 race.

    Something else that endlessly frustrates me about the AMA. You can almost
    NEVER count on your VCR/DVR getting the race because there's always a
    delay for one reason or anther, pushing the race outside of its time slot.
    It's disgusting they race in places where you can't race in the rain
    (Understood that VIR Sunday had extenuating circumstances). Either race
    in the rain everywhere or nowhere. Oh, and KEEP TO THE DAMNED SCHEDULE!

    Chris Cavin, Sep 2, 2003
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  3. TV commentary claimed that the rider who went down was using synthetic
    motor oil which is substantially more difficult to remove from the track.

    Why don't they just ban synthetic oil?
    Brian Downing, Sep 3, 2003
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    Julian Bond Guest

    And this didn't get picked up in tech inspection?
    Julian Bond, Sep 4, 2003
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    Dean Guest

    It's got to be said if this is true how did the "goober" get through
    tech in what is supposed to be one of the top 3 national series in the

    Is it because the srutineers try to be smart in nailing someone for
    some esoteric rule violation and forget about the basics? The whole
    point of scrutineering is to ensure that the machine is primarily safe
    to take onto the track - an unwired plug does not meet this criteria.

    Case in point - at the very provinicial race club I am at a friend had
    a stand up argument with the tech guy because his exhaust protruded
    about 1 cm past the maximum length. The tech guy *was* in the right,
    and my friend offered to correct the problem by the next meet - nope,
    he had to hack off the offending item. The irony - after doing this
    and getting passed, I noticed that he had not rewired his drain plug
    after dropping the oil the previous night. Not only had it not been
    rewired, but it had not been *tightened*. Sure, my mate should have
    picked this up (thats also why my mate and I double check each others
    machines) - but that's the whole point of tech inspections, not to
    "catch people out", but to *make the environment safe*. The enforement
    should be secondary to safety, but I suppose it's more fun to "catch
    cheaters" than ensure safety.

    Sorry to go off on the rant, but as a rider, tech nazis get on my
    tits, especially when they miss the basics and shit like this happens.

    Dean, Sep 4, 2003
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Well except when it's turned round into a discussion of why JIS/Ducati
    have an unfair advantage. Or how it's different in the USA.
    Just a thought. Do the 600ss have to run a sump fairing to keep oil
    leaks at bay like the SBK bikes?
    Julian Bond, Sep 4, 2003
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    Dean Guest

    Does every bike that goes out on the track in every session or race get

    My criticism was not so much directed at the AMA, actually I was not
    thinking of the AMA at all when I wrote the above, but more of a
    general rant. However, your point is well taken that the "goober" does
    have end responsibility - my point was more that the scrutineers also
    have a responsibility to the basics that sometimes gets overlooked.

    As to your first comment again you are right in the sense that no,
    tech does not place at every session or before every race. However I
    was assuming that the bike that laid the oil would have not replaced
    its oil between tech and the session - on this point I could be wrong.

    Any racer should also get a friend/co racer/pit mate to double check
    his basics even after tech - to me this is a fundamental. It's like
    the buddy system in diving. I don't know what it's like in the states,
    but unfortunately we do have a crowd that have the attitude that "shit
    happens" when the "shit that happened" was easily preventable - I have
    been the victim myself :-(.

    Dean, Sep 4, 2003
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    S Frank Guest

    That may be true, but the announcers (of course what do they know)
    were specifically talking about the problem being that it was
    synthetic. They kept saying this over and over.
    S Frank, Sep 5, 2003
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    Ron Guest

    Tech inspection is to get the sticker needed to race. Even at the
    club level, tho some clubs may be more diligent about it, they do not
    run tech on a bike once it has been inspected and found to be properly
    wired, and so on.

    They assume that if you had it wired properly the first time, and the
    bike was properly prepared,that you automatically would make sure the
    bike is safe to go on track after working on it. Unfortunately, the
    father was probably in a hurry and didn't check the drain plug after
    changing oil.

    This is *not* a regular occurrence, even at the club races.
    Ron, Sep 5, 2003
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