vtr 1000 carbs

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by motobear45, Jun 2, 2005.

  1. motobear45

    motobear45 Guest

    I'm having this problem:
    My bike will start up when it's cold , with the choke(enricher)
    engaged. As it warms up it begins to stumble/miss until it dies. If I
    open the throttle as it is warming up, the rpms will rise then the
    motor stumbles and dies.I've pulled the carbs off and cleaned and used
    compressed air to blow out the passages and jets. I didn't mess with
    the idle screw/jets because they're sealed (CA model).Right after it
    dies If I open the throttle butterflies and hold open the vacuum slides
    I can see a dense fog og gas in the rear carb but nothing in the front.
    How can I differentiate between the rear carb flooding or the front car
    starving. Any thoughts would be appreciated
    Barry
     
    motobear45, Jun 2, 2005
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  2. Carefully feel the exhaust pipes with your hand. If the front pipe is
    cold, that cylinder is probably too lean to fire. Pull the spark plugs
    and examine them for color and wetness. If the rear plug is wet, maybe
    you have a fuel shutoff needle valve that's sticking...

    For a thorough carb cleaning, you really do need to follow the EPA
    anti-tamper plug removal procedure I've described many, many, many
    times. Google up "kaybearjr +EPA" and follow the procedure...

    You might just get away with running 2 or 3 ounces of Berryman's B-12
    Chemtool Choke and Carburetor Cleaner through 3 or 4 tanks of gas until
    the engine runs better. Don't run the engine hard with B-12 in the
    fuel, alcohol has a drying effect on oiled parts, it may wash enough
    oil off the cylinder walls to cause lubrication problems at high RPM
    and high engine temperatures...
     
    krusty kritter, Jun 2, 2005
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  3. motobear45

    motobear45 Guest

    When the bike first starts, with the enricher on, both cylinders are
    firing and the bike sounds normal. After the motor dies both cylinders
    are getting a spark as I try to restart the motor,(verified with a
    clamp on timing light). The idle screws don't have an anti tamper plug.
    The screw tops require a special "D" shaped socket to adjust. A tool
    the local honda dealer says I can't buy.I've filled the fuel lines with
    gas ,flush to the top of each line and just let the bike sit for
    awhile. The fuel level remains
    constant, so I think the float needles are sealing properly. I've
    replaced the coils, plug wires, plugs and the ICU but the probplem
    remains. Any thoughts?
    P.S : What does the converter do? Its between the ICU and the coils
    but the Haynes manual dosen't tell me what it does.
    Thanks, Barry
     
    motobear45, Jun 7, 2005
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  4. Carefully feel the exhaust pipes with your hand. If the front pipe is
    cold, that cylinder is probably too lean to fire. Pull the spark plugs
    and examine them for color and wetness. If you smell gasoline on one
    plug but not on the other, the mixture can be too lean to ignite and
    you smell
    unburned hydrocarbons...
    So find a length of steel tubing that will slip over the screw top and
    bang one side of it flat with a hammer...
    Dirty carburetors? Troubleshooting electric problems by swapping parts
    will make the $tealer$hip $mile all the way to the bank, but it leaves
    the
    parts swapper with little understanding of how the system works and the
    wallet becomes rapidly flatter. Can you $ell the ICU and coils that
    seem to be OK on eBay?
    Do wires from the ignition pickup coils go to the converter? Maybe it's
    an analog to digital converter that changes the analog electrical
    pulses into bits and bytes so the computer can calculate with them.
    That would be called an "AD converter"...

    Or maybe it takes the bits and bytes from the ICU, and converts them to
    analog pulses and amplifies them so the coil will get a nice hot spark.
    See any wires going from the ICU to the converter? That would be called
    a "DA converter"...

    Or, maybe it's both. AD *and* DA...

    For $500, that bad puppy should be able to mix me a martini, not just
    warp bits and bytes...
     
    krusty kritter, Jun 7, 2005
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  5. motobear45

    motobear45 Guest

    I'm sure the converter is a DA converter from the wiring schematic. The
    ignition parts I've swapped out have in fact been purchased from Ebay.
    Even though I couldn't verify they were perfect I figured they wouldn't
    have the exact same problem as my original items.The reason I swapped
    electrical items was the condition used to be temporary, occuring only
    when I rode in the rain. Advise from another rider suggested dirty
    water was being sucked up a vacuum line somewhere and had contaminated
    the carburetors somehow.
    I'll try fabricating a tool to adjust the idle screws and see what
    happens.
    Thank you for taking the time to give me some advice.
    Barry
     
    motobear45, Jun 7, 2005
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