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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pip, Feb 7, 2007.

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    Pip Guest

    Pip, Feb 7, 2007
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    Hog Guest

    It does look sweet. Is DAB worth having though, as against for instance
    internet radio.
     
    Hog, Feb 7, 2007
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    Simes Guest

    That dear old chap, Hog tugged on his pipefull of old shag and said:
    Probably better quality (generally) than Internet radio. Not as good
    as *good* FM. Most of the channels are over compressed, both in terms
    of squeezing into the least amount of bandwidth and the independant
    music channels also tend to over compress the audio too.

    The audio compression is a bloody pain as the spec for DAB means that
    they should send the signal incompressed and allow the user to select
    it if they are in a noisy environment (a car for example).

    Radio 3 on DAB isn't too bad - but I still think FM (with a decent roof
    mounted antenna) gives it a good run for its money.
     
    Simes, Feb 7, 2007
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  4. We had fun comparing that over the weekend: the adorable Arcam has DAB and
    FM. On Classic FM, no hiss on DAB, obviously. I'd have said a slightly
    sharper quality to the DAB, but that is very subjective indeed. As you say,
    decent FM is good - and yes, we've got serious aerials.

    Ali
     
    Alison Hopkins, Feb 7, 2007
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    Simes Guest

    That dear old chap, Alison tugged on his pipefull of old shag and said:
    It's always hard to compare directly as there is so much poncing about
    done by the broadcasters with the sounds for the different formats.
    Classic FM are (IMHO) worse than many in this respect as they compress
    their FM signal to hell and back as well as their DAB sound.

    Classical music should have a wide dynamic range - but they try to
    compress all that out of it - and apply what sounds like a poorly
    implemented Dolby 'B' noise reduction to make the high frequencies
    sound unnaturally bright.

    Of course, you should have no hiss on FM - unless it's on the original
    source!

    I'm lucky here as FM signals for the main BBC stations are at full
    strength and arrive sounding very good - no hiss or tweeties!
     
    Simes, Feb 7, 2007
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    Molly Guest

    That is dead cool, I wonder if it will plug into my Marshall amp?
     
    Molly, Feb 7, 2007
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  7. But you have to compress it to make it sound OK in a car or radio in the
    workplace, kitchen. Other wise you can only hear the load bits and
    people complain of the sound levels going to high and low. It's a
    strange world out there...
     
    eric the brave, Feb 7, 2007
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  8. In uk.rec.motorcycles, Hog belched forth and ejected the following:
    Are you kidding? It looks like a bastard chile of a Marshall stack and a
    fucking ponced of **** of a thing from the bastard radio.
    Of course, it always is.
     
    Whinging Courier, Feb 7, 2007
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    ogden Guest

    Good god, you're not shedded already, are you?
     
    ogden, Feb 7, 2007
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    Simes Guest

    That dear old chap, eric tugged on his pipefull of old shag and said:
    I agree - but the spec of DAB means they can send it uncompressed
    (along with the compression data) and the listener can choose whether
    to listen to the full dynamic range or (if in a noisy environment)
    whether to switch on compression at the reciever.

    The broadcasters don't bother to do that though.
     
    Simes, Feb 7, 2007
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  11. Except that there are apparently moves afoot to supersede the
    current DAB encoding with something "superior". Of course, the UK could do
    the usual, bury its head in the sand and ignore technological advances.
    You still broadcast 405-line TV, right?

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Feb 7, 2007
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    Lozzo Guest

    Champ says...
    625 since approx 1967, when colour transmissions were introduced.
     
    Lozzo, Feb 7, 2007
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  13. 525 and Never The Same Colour. I don't believe that they do terrestrial DAB,
    either. Nor viewdata, I think. A quaintly primitive place. Especially the
    banking system.

    Ali
     
    Alison Hopkins, Feb 7, 2007
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    Lozzo Guest

    Alison Hopkins says...
    I think we did away with 405 line transmissions in the mid to late 70s.
    I remember me and dad taking an old VHF aerial down off the roof because
    we couldn't use it any more.
     
    Lozzo, Feb 7, 2007
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    Nige Guest


    525 NTSC, never even been higher than that
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    'nothing up top but a bucket & a mop & an illustrated book about birds'

    Nige

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    Nige, Feb 7, 2007
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    Lozzo Guest

    Nige says...
    I was on about UK transmissions being 625 since '67. Ours are PAL and US
    are NTSC.
     
    Lozzo, Feb 7, 2007
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  17. <googles> Blimey. I'd have said then-ish, but it's much later: 1985. See
    here: http://www.bvws.org.uk/405alive/

    Ali
     
    Alison Hopkins, Feb 7, 2007
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    Lozzo Guest

    Alison Hopkins says...
    Crikey Moses. Maybe we took it down cos no-one brought us 405 line mono
    sets to repair any more.

    When I was 17 I was seeing a lovely girl from Ampthill called Adrienne
    and her parents had an old Thorn 1500 series monochrome set, one of the
    early 625 line models with a single large circuit board. It had suffered
    frame collapse[1] and was languishing in the corner of the living room.
    Mr + Mrs Adie's parents were quite well to do and looked down on this
    scruffy skinhead[2] oik on a motorcycle who was intent on corrupting
    their lovely daughter, who happened to be one half of a pair of twins.
    In all the time I was with Adie I could never understand why they, being
    bloody rich, never changed to a colour set, and towards the end I was
    told why; they never watched anything except the news on tv and Mrs
    Adie's parent didn't like the sight of vivid blood and guts.

    Anyway, I digress. I was round there one night and wanted to watch
    something on telly so turned it on while the burd was upstairs doing
    what 16 yr old burds do before they go out - nowt, nada, zilch. In
    desperation I stuck my head round the door and had a quick natter with
    Mr + Mrs A/p and discovered the tv had broken 6 months previously and
    while they missed it they didn't see the point in buying another when it
    was used so little. Next time I went round I had a PCL805/85 valve[3] in
    my pocket and whipped the back off the tv, stuck the new valve in and
    bingo, it worked again. From that moment on I could do no wrong, and
    even today her parents ask her why she never stayed with that clever
    young man who knew instantly how to fix the tv and why we didn't get
    married and have lots of clever little children - they really did think
    that much of me. I'll take a bet that they've still got that old Thorn
    1500 somewhere too.

    [1] black screen except for a bright white line across the screen, all
    625 lines crammed into one.
    [2] I was fresh out of the army, I hadn't had time to grow it
    [3] Common fault on Thorn 1500 chassis, PCL85/805 goes down and frame
    collapse happens. I recognised it straight away. Repair cost was 2 quid.
     
    Lozzo, Feb 7, 2007
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  19. In uk.rec.motorcycles, ogden belched forth and ejected the following:
    Look at the time, Oggers, me old mate. I'll be finished work[1] while
    you're having your lunch but point taken. HTF am I gonna help myself,
    huh?

    [1] Assuming I can get there.
     
    Whinging Courier, Feb 8, 2007
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  20. 525 iirc and NTSC, poor fuckers. Which is why HD is such a big
    attraction Leftpondia.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 8, 2007
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