Wardriving

Indeed, but to do that wouldn't you have to have a connected device to
monitor > spoof in the first place?

My point, take a new Orange (in this case) router and you can't
connect *anything* WiFi to it until you have 'paired' it. Till then
it's completely (?) secure and why I said what I did up there ^

T i m

 

All MAC whitelisting does is define the hardware addresses from which
the access point/router/bridge will accept frames. All wireless traffic
is broadcast - if your node is listening, it can receive whether it can
participate or not.

Think like TV or broadcast radio. Turn on, tune in, spoof. Which is why
any wireless network should also have encryption and, ideally, an
unpublished SSID.

 

An unpublished SSID adds nothing. Monitoring the traffic will show it as
soon as anything's transmitted.

 

Sure, but every little helps.

 

Ok ... ?

Yeah and my point ... would said router be transmitting wireless info
(other than the SSID maybe) before any clients attached?

Can a client connect if there is a blank whitelist (and whitelist is
enabled etc)?

So, BGN is off out wardriving and comes across this 'unsecured' AP. He
stops, tries to connect but can't as his MAC address isn't in the
whitelist (along with every other MAC address that's been officially
released and those that haven't).

Niece 'pairs' her laptop with her router (to prove step one) then I
remotely configure WPA on the router and she re-connects (step two).

<Pretend> BGN sniffed the laptop connecting (so now has the client MAC
to spoof) but then sees the router go secure. Yes he knows the MAC but
can't connect till he's de-cryped the key.

Do we still agree? ;-)

T i m

 

Paragraph 1 of the URL above.

 

Well it helps your neighbours fail to determine your radio
channel and thereby helps them to cause you interference.

I suppose that could be described as a little help.


If you use wpa or better with a long non-dictionary key
then it is secure.

 

finding out which of the local squaddies is surfing for gay porn...

 

And if you monitor traffic you can see other people's passwords
when they use your insecure wireless network. I wonder what snoop
tools are available that can interpret high-level stuff like html.

 

I only download 'whatever' <g> but I don't think it would take much to
pin use against machine (rather that just link) if they were so
inclined.

I spose. Personally I'd rather not take the risk.

My Fritz!Box router turns it's WiFi off at night.

T i m

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, T i m

That's harsh.

--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
go and talk to the Catholics.

 

That's okay, just drive to my village and out of the 337 WiFi networks
46 have no security whatsoever - freedom.

 

Naughty boy ... ;-)

T i m

 

Hmm, maybe me living in a pikey area means people are more security
conscious. Of the dozen or so AP's I can see from here, none are open
(but then that still may fit yer stats?) and I can't say I've been
many places where I have been able to actually make use of an open
network. I know of a couple of people who do regularly make use of
same though (and in one case because it's easier to connect to than
their own!).

I like yer plot though ... I wish I could like / afford / need an
iPhone. [1] (Well, you would have to prise the 6310i from my cold dead
hands first). ;-)

T i m

[1] Of the three people I know personally who have bought them, two
have swapped them for Blackberry's.

 

Blackberries are for cunts

I have a Sony Experia X1 on its way to me

--
Lozzo
Versys 650 Tourer
Fireblade 929 (For sale)
CBR600F-W trackbike
SR250 SpazzTrakka,
SR250 wivva topbox
TS250C
RD400F, somewhere
I see a bright new future, where chickens can cross the road with no
fear of having their motives questioned

 

Possibly, both get pissed off when the touch screen does summat they
didn't want when they put the phone to their ear.

Hmm, I used to like Sony products (around the time of the first
cassette Walkman, built like a brick) and had a Sony TV for *years*
(repaired 3 times by myself, last time being the HT transformer) but
I'm no real fan these days. Very much for the following reason: (not
family safe and probably seen here before).

http://preview.tinyurl.com/anxu5g

A mate recently bought a Sony PVR to_go_with his Sony TV and I swear
it was *exactly* like the above. He gave up and asked me to help set
it up. Now I'm pretty good at configuring tech stuff but this fucking
piece of shit was pushing me close to throwing his remote through his
screen. I got it mostly working and vowed never to touch it again (he
still asks, I still refuse).

For me (and I still suspect the majority) a 'phone' is still something
with real buttons, we use to talk on now and again and maybe use to
send the odd text (and my hand_me_up 6310i still goes a week between
charges).

I don't need a fancy phone, I have other hobbies. ;-)

T i m

 

That's the one thing I don't like about my XDA, my ear always changes
the clock from digital to analog.


--
Krusty

'03 Tiger 955i
'02 MV Senna (for sale) '96 Tiger (for sale)
'79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)

 

;-)

But what a crap concept? It amazes me how much human-impractical stuff
there is out there. Like on uk.d-i-y they are talking about toasters
and that reminded me how many of us suffer (put up with) with gear
that doesn't do what it says on the tin. Not because we don't mind but
often because there aren't many realistic alternatives. Ok, turning a
bit of bread into toast predictably / reliably may not be as simple as
it might first seem but how long have we been doing it now?

There are very few things that really work as they should. For me some
examples of things that do include my Garmin GPS's, the Nokia 6310i,
an old Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop and my CB Two Fifty. In the past it
was my 2L Sierra Estate (owned for 23 years) it never had issues with
the electric windows, central locking, alarm or power steering (like
the current Rover) as it didn't have them.

I have a Topfield PVR and whilst it's very good and pretty clever
(record two channels whilst viewing another recording or different
channel etc) it still has it's 'moments'.

Fancy / new gadgets and toys are fun of course but when push comes to
shove I think it's the stuff you can rely on that takes the prize.

However, some of us also actually enjoy the odd fettle and something
broken is simply another opportunity to play! (as long as it doesn't
spoil yer day etc).

T i m

 

Here they are, just the open ones. Fair enough, there are 7 BT
Openzones and two La Fonera, but the rest are open and happy.

One doesn't need an iPhone for wardriving, WiFiFoFum, the app I use
for it, was originally made for Windows Mobile, and I there must be
similar apps for the G1 and similar. All one needs is a WiFi receiver
and a GPS chipset.

 

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It should be easy to do with a G1 because you've got the WiFi
capability and the GPS chipset so the basics are there but I really
can't be bothered finding out if someone has developed an app for it
because I'd sooner spend my evenings away from home drinking beer and
scoffing food.