Welding

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by platypus, Jun 22, 2008.

  1. platypus

    platypus Guest

    How difficult is it to teach yourself, and what sort of kit would you need,
    starting out?
     
    platypus, Jun 22, 2008
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. platypus

    platypus Guest

    Bits and pieces. I just keep running into situations where it would be very
    handy to be able to stick bits of scrap metal together, but not handy enough
    that I can actually be bothered to go and find someone to weld it for me. I
    used to be pretty useful with a gas forge, anvil and ****-off big hammer,
    and I can solder fine-pitch surface-mount components competently, so it
    can't be too much of a leap to actual welding.
     
    platypus, Jun 22, 2008
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. platypus

    ogden Guest

    Paging Bonwick.
     
    ogden, Jun 22, 2008
    #3
  4. platypus

    platypus Guest

    Cheers - sort of what I was thinking.
     
    platypus, Jun 22, 2008
    #4
  5. platypus

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I suspect that anyone with a reasonably practical turn of mind and a
    decent set of instructions, such as a good welding book (or decent
    instructions off the web), could teach themselves. Getting
    instruction, such as evening classes or from a mate who knows, would
    make the whole process a lot safer and quicker though. Much of it is a
    skill that needs to be practiced, something I really need to do
    despite the fact that I've been doing odd-job DIY welding for years.
    There are a few fundamental rules of thumb for safety, the effects of
    shrinkage as the weld cools, currents & electrode sizes to use, etc.

    What you use depends on what you want to weld: for the cheaper
    'domestic' welders, about 2.5mm upwards needs arc, whereas MIG will
    weld car bodies.

    Once a MIG welder is set up for the job then it's pretty much point &
    shoot. They are more fiddly to set up at first than arc and are
    sensitive to windy conditions (which blows the shield gas away), dirty
    metal and feed wire that's been left in a damp garage. Arc can be
    fiddlier to actually do and there's always the possibility of getting
    slag inclusions if your technique isn't right.

    Both need good protective clothing[1], shielding for onlookers and
    care WRT flammables in the area.

    [1] I forgot this a fortnight or so ago and didn't do a button-up
    shirt up fully, then wondered later in the week why I had a small red
    tender patch on my chest.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 22, 2008
    #5
  6. platypus

    cat Guest

    Pip Luscher wrote:
    feed wire that's been left in a damp garage.

    Doesn't this lead to hydrogen inclusions? what's it called? interstitials?

    It makes your welds fall to bits in short order anyway iirc.
     
    cat, Jun 22, 2008
    #6
  7. platypus

    Rudy Lacchin Guest

    I have one of those electrickle ones - you know, the type where you hold two
    bits of metal together, poke them with a stick, there's a bright flash and
    when your eyesight recovers, the two bits of metal might be joined together.

    You're welcome to borrow it if you want a play?
     
    Rudy Lacchin, Jun 22, 2008
    #7
  8. platypus

    Dan L Guest

    Heh, I bought myself a cheap and cheesy Migmate a few months ago.

    It's a bit shit, i.e. only 2 power settings and a live torch, but it
    fucking rocks, an was only £150.

    As long as you have an angle grinder to dress off the crap, you too can
    be a welding god like me.
     
    Dan L, Jun 22, 2008
    #8
  9. platypus

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I'm starting out too.

    YGM.

    You might find it useful.
     
    Simon Wilson, Jun 22, 2008
    #9
  10. platypus

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Technically, probably yes. For patching car sills etc. then it doesn't
    realy matter that much; for some applications it's very important that
    the filler doesn't get contaminated, especially arc welding rods.
    Apparently for some applications the welding rod or wire can't have
    been exposed to the atmosphere for more than a day or so. The big
    problem with MIG wire is if it jams, as my old welder started doing
    with monotonous regularity in part because I was careless with the
    wire, then it's a PITA to clear and re-feed.

    For *serious* applications I think Bonwick's the FOAK.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 22, 2008
    #10
  11. platypus

    cat Guest

    I'm supposed to have a degree in this rubbish :eek:(
     
    cat, Jun 22, 2008
    #11
  12. platypus

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Out of interest, what actually was the 'official' degree title? I'm
    just a domestic bodger.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 22, 2008
    #12
  13. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pip Luscher
    Yep, he's your man if you want an opinion on welders.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 22, 2008
    #13
  14. platypus

    Ace Guest

    All from 2nd hand experience, of course... I mean, god forbid he might
    get confused with being one.

    --
    _______
    ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com)
    \`\ | /`/
    `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
    `\|/`
    `
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2008
    #14
  15. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ace
    Oh, absolutely.

    I think he's made it clear on a number of occasions that he doesn't feel
    qualified to call himself a welder, has he not?
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 22, 2008
    #15
  16. platypus

    cat Guest

    'The Chemistry of Materials' is what's written on the cert iirc.
    It was a crossover between the schools of Chemistry and school of
    Materials Science. 50% modules from the NON organic chemistry syllabus
    and 50% from the materials research side.

    It was a fantastic degree for a curious bugger like me. I can hold sway
    in arguments with normal folk about topics such as reinforced polymers,
    metal eutectics, crack dynamics and other failures and rubbish like that.

    Sadly I didn't really understand all of it to a standard to get into
    real research. Some of the people on the course went on to work at Rolls
    Royce et al. Casting metals and smashing shit in half to look at the
    crack surfaces with electron microscopes were pretty awesome experiences
    for me. The medical implant stuff we covered was also mind blowing.

    Heh, the amount I'm typing gives away how much I loved the course, I'm
    going to shut up now.
     
    cat, Jun 22, 2008
    #16
  17. platypus

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Even *I* noticed that, but it's a fair bet he knows more that he lets
    on.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 22, 2008
    #17
  18. platypus

    Beav Guest

    Depends on what type of welding you want to do. It's a gas welding, you'll
    need the bottles, regulators and "guns". If it's MIG, then you'll need a MIG
    welder, wire and gas. If it's TIG, you'll need a TIG welder and rods and if
    it's arc, you'll need an arc welder, rods and a chipping (slag) hammer. An
    angle grinder is more than useful for prepping the metal and a welders
    helmet
    is pretty useful too.

    As to how difficult it is to teach yourself, that's a "how long's a piece of
    string" question. Some find it easy, some never "get it".


    --
    Beav

    VN 750
    Zed 1000
    OMF# 19
     
    Beav, Jun 22, 2008
    #18
  19. platypus

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:37:57 +0100, Pip Luscher

    snip>
    **** off.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jun 22, 2008
    #19
  20. platypus

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    You can walk upright so you can weld.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jun 22, 2008
    #20
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.