Well as from today ...

To be noticed, rule #1 is they build as much they can with the money they
get from charity, no government money can be spent. And at the moment, all
the gazilion nutte^H^H^H^H^H tourists that pay a fee for the visit is
accounted as charity

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, dog

Spotting that is a real feather in your cap.

 

One for the album-en.

 

He wasn't referring to the past as such. That's why he wrote "are". This calls for the
imperfect subjunctive in my brain.

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No such thing in English, but you're almost right: the subjunctive is
required here.

D.

 

So if he wanted to express it in the singular rather than the plural,
i.e. starting "I always thought the Thunderace ...", how do you think
should he say it?

 

It's good to see a free ranging cascade.

 

The important thing to remember here is until a couple of years ago I'd never heard of
subjunctives. Spanish is riddled with them and recently I've been comparing it with
English. English too is peppered with subjunctives, but they tend to take the same form
as the indicative and quite often the infinitive.

http://www.ugr.es/~lquereda/teoria_subjuntivo.htm

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Yes, it's a direct translation of "siempre he pensado [from past until now]
que las Thunderace son [now, then present] para pilotos experimentados".

 

The subjunctive is dying out in French, and you frequently hear people
mauling it.

être (to be)
INDIC. SUBJ.
je suis que je sois
tu es que tu sois
il/elle est qu'il/elle soit
nous sommes que nous soyons
vous êtes que vous soyez
ils/elles sont qu'ils/elles soient

avoir (to have)
INDIC. SUBJ.
j'ai que j'aie
tu as que tu aies
il/elle a qu'il/elle ait
nous avons que nous ayons
vous avez que vous ayez
ils/elles ont qu'ils/elles aient

You need to know the subjunctive of class I, II and III regular verbs
('regarder', 'finir' 'vendre'), but you only need to know the third
person singular subjunctive, to be able to form the rest. 'finir', for
example...

INDIC. SUBJ.
il finit qu'il finisse

From there, you can infer ...

que je finisse / que tu finisses / que nous finissions ...

Finally, you need to know the irregular verbs like 'aller' ..

qu'il aille
"veux-tu que je m'en aille?" ('do you want me to leave?')

The present subj. is formed as above. We have an imperfect subjunctive,
but its use elsewhere than in serious literature is dying out. ..

'je n'envisageais point que tu vinsses'.

That sounds 'pompous' to our ears, so most people would say, 'je
n'envisageais point que tu viennes'.

The past subjunctive is formed with the auxiliary verb in the present
subjunctive...

qu'il soit venu
"ça te gêne qu'il soit venu?" ('does it bother you that he came?')

Conjunctions which _require_ the subjunctive are numerous ..

* avant que + ne + subj. (before ...'
"je suis parti avant qu'il n'arrive" ('I left before he got there')
* afin que + subjunctive (so that .. / in order that...)
"je travaille afin que toi tu puisses manger..." ('I work so that you
can eat')
* de peur que + ne + subj. (for fear that...)
"j'ai arrêté de peur qu'il ne se vexe" ('I stopped, lest he be upset')
* à moins que (+ ne) + subj. (unless ..)
"je vais continuer, à moins que cela (ne) te gêne..." ('I'll continue,
unless it bothers you ...)
* pourvu que + subj. (may ...'
"pourvu que ça continue!" ('long may it last!')

.... and so on.

Finally, commands are formed in French from the subj. 'être' in the
subjonctif, for example is 'que tu sois,' and to tell a child to be
good, for example, you wouldn't say 'es sage!' but 'sois sage!' Third
person ('indirect') commands ('let him/her ..') are also formed with
'que' + noun/pronoun + subjunctive. The most famous one that most Brits
know is the (supposed) statement by Marie-Antoinette, 'let them eat
cake', which in French is 'qu'ils mangent de la brioche!'. Other common
uses of this are to tell someone to tell a third person to do something.
So 'E.' comes up to me to tell me that her best friend 'K' has done her
homework, but that she's off that day. 'Qu'elle m'envoie un mél!" would
be my reply. 'Let her send me an e-mail'. 'envoie' is the third person
subjunctive of the verb 'envoyer' ('to send').

Anyway ...

D.

 

I am having a feeling of [1]

[1] Romanes Eunt Domus

Romans Go Home! Funny sketch from Life of Brian

Centurion: What is this then? Romanes eunt domus, "People called Romanes
they go the house"?
Brian It-it says, "Romans, go home"!
Centurion: No, it doesn't! What's Latin for "Roman"? [grabs Brian's ear]
Come on, come on!
Brian: Romanus!
Centurion: Goes like?
Brian: Annus!
Centurion: Vocative plural of annus is...?
Brian: Anni?
Centurion: [writes] Romani. And eunt? What is eunt?
Brian: "Go"! Let-
Centurion: Conjugate the verb "to go".
Brian: Ire; eo, is, it, imus, itis, eunt!
Centurion: So eunt is...?
Brian: Third person plural, present indicative. "They go!"
Centurion: But "Romans, go home" is an order, so you must use the...?
Brian: The... imperative!
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: I!
Centurion: [twisting Brian's ear] How many Romans?
Brian: [yelling] I.. Plural, plural! Ite, ite!
Centurion: [writing] Ite. Domus? Nominative? But "go home", it is motion
towards, isn't it, boy?
Brian: Dative, sir!
[The centurion promptly draws his swords and presses it against Brian's
throat. Brian yells:]
No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! The... accusative, accusative!
Domum, sir, ad domum!
Centurion: Except that domus takes the...?
Brian: The locative, sir!
Centurion: Which is?
Brian: Domum!
Centurion: [writing] Domum... -um [sheathing his sword] Understand?
[Brian nods eagerly]
Now, write it out a hundred times!
Brian: Yes, sir, thank you, sir! Hail Caesar!
Centurion: Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls
off!
Brian: Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar and everything, sir!

 

<big snip>

Indeed!

I take your point about the use of the subjunctive in Spanish. I have
yet, however, to see anyone other than myself and Platy express an
opinion on how to phrase this correctly in English if using the
singular. I'm willing to learn, of course.

<taps foot>

 

There's no need really. As mentioned several times on here, language
evolves and the original statement[1] is now generally stated thus:

"I fort Funderaces were for geezers, innit"

[1] "I always thought Thunderaces are only for experienced riders"

 

Silly sod!

 

<Riverdances in>

It depends on what you mean:

`I always thought Thunderaces were only for experienced riders':

I used to believe that, at the time, Thunderaces were for
experienced riders [indicative];

`I always thought Thunderaces were only for experienced riders':

I used to hypothesize that, at the time, Thunderaces were for
experienced riders [subjunctive];

`I always thought Thunderaces are only for experienced riders':

I used to believe that, then and now, Thunderaces are for
experienced riders;

`I think Thunderaces are only for experienced riders':

I believe, now, that, now, Thunderaces are for experienced riders;

`I think Thunderaces were only for experienced riders':

I believe, now, that, then, Thunderaces were for experienced riders;

 

Stated as above and texted in some crypto-teen SMS encoding.

 

A good one is a real feather in your cap.

Phil

 

"I always thought" - past tense. "are" - present tense.

 

This is why you want a VFR?

 

Are you saying this from the standpoint of a bloke wot nose, thereby saying that I wuz
rong?

Or is the key the missing "that" (como "que" en castellano)? Surely without the "that"
the rest of it should be in quotes?

If I were you, I should want to make it clear.

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