Well, That Was Quick (Warning, Volvo Related Content)

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Reed Kennedy, Dec 15, 2003.

  1. Reed Kennedy

    Reed Kennedy Guest

    So, story time.

    <background>

    After finishing a coffee with my girlfriend, we decide to go rent a
    movie, head back to my place, and make an evening of it. We hop on the
    bike at about 5:30 and begin to make our way from Gaylords on Piedmont to
    Reel in Berkeley. She's really getting into the whole motorcycle bit, so
    I decide to take the fun way, and turn down Pleasant Valley Rd. At the
    corner, there's a beautiful first generation Mustang for sale, and we
    both decide it more than warrents a stop. We turn around.

    </background>

    So I'm heading down Pleasant Valley Rd toward the intersection with
    Piedmont. The oncomming lane is empty, and there is a modern Volvo about
    1/4 block ahead of me waiting at the intersection with it's left signal
    on. I signal left, preparing to turn into the parking lot of the
    building on the corner. I see the Volvo initiate it's turn, effectively
    blocking all traffic in the oncomming lane, and decide to use this well
    defended opertunity to pull into the parking lot. As I initiate my turn,
    I see the reach the 90 degree point and then continue. They pull a U in
    the middle of the intersection, and I begin to brake at the very
    beginning of my turn (the lane is very wide here). Then they slow, and
    since I'm already in their lane, I assume they've seen me and start to
    try and get out of the lane I'm crossing.

    Unfortuately, the Volvo driver's attention was completely on avoiding
    hitting the curb while pulling his U. He had only decelerated in order
    to miss that curb. As soon as he clears it (and without checking the
    lane he as just entered), he accelerates hard.

    Into me.

    Both vehicles had just accerelation after brakeing, so I would estimate
    that I was going somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 mph, and he was
    probably somewhere around 15, maybe 20.

    The following is mainly conjecture based on where things ended up, I
    don't remember it terribly clearly.

    His front bumper impacts my bike. There were headlight fragments around
    the scene, which I have since determined are not mine, so I suppose the
    front driver's side corner of the car was probably the primary zone of
    impact. It struck hard on the right side of my bike, primarilly, it
    seemed, on my ankle. The bike was faceing forward toward and almost
    perpendicular to the curb, and came to rest on it's right side facing
    away from the curb, again almost perpendicular. I assume the impact spun
    the bike 180 degrees, with the axis of rotation being the rear tire.

    There was further damage to the left side of the bike as well, which
    confuses the hell out of me, as I was hit on the right, and the bike came
    to rest on the right. Maybe it bounced.

    I came to rest between the Volvo and my motorcycle. My girlfriend
    apparently kind of "hopped off" in her words. I am extremely thankful to
    be able to say she's uninjured.

    My ankle hurt somewhat, so I elected to avoid putting weight on it until
    it was examined, and immediately removed my riding boot and sock before
    it swelled too much.

    If you know the Piedmont area of Oakland at all, you won't be suprised to
    here that we had 4 people on their cells calling 911 within about 12
    seconds. The police arrived within a minute, the abmulance within a
    couple more.

    The driver of the Volvo was a middle aged lawyer from San Francisco, and
    was extremely appologetic in the breif contact I had with him. He said
    that this was his first accident, and that he would make sure everything
    was taken care of.

    I, personally, had only finalized my insurance on Friday. Phew.

    The EMTs were great, collecting up my gloves and removed boot for me
    without my even noticing, and storing them on the gurney. My girlfriend
    grabbed the helmets and my paperwork.

    I'm not sure I received a police report. It may be with the helmets in
    the garage, or my girlfriend may have it. I haven't seen it. I'm not
    going to hop around looking right now.

    I have the other driver's business card, so that's nice.

    I won't go into the hours at the hospital much, because really, who here
    gives a shit? It looks like it's all soft tissue damage. Phew.

    They gave me a "Cam-Walker" to wear. I'm on crutches for a week or so,
    minimum. It hurts a little bit, but no big deal.

    After getting out of the hospital, I called my friend (who happens to me
    an EMT) and he came and picked me up in his truck. I had him give me a
    ride back to my bike, which is actually not as trashed as I'd feared.
    Rear brake and shift levers both bent, front and lower fairing damage to
    both sides, rash on both cans, my remaining front turn signal gone.
    There was probably more, but that's what I could see in the street
    lights.

    The front brakes are mushy as all hell now. Does laying a bike down help
    air get into the lines?

    I started it up, litterally hopped on, and rode her home, naked toes
    flying in the wind.

    What I did wrong:

    I signaled, but I did not have a front left turn signal on the bike. If
    I had, it is possible the driver would have seen me and the accident
    would not have happened. The signal was going to be added when I got
    paid on Thursday. Theoretically, I should not have been riding without
    the signal.

    I went deer-in-headlights and decelerated to nearly a stop in the middle
    of the oncomming traffic lane. If I had just wrung it open, I could have
    made it to the parking lot before the Volvo could get to me. It would
    have been a bumpy ride into a dirt lot, and it would have scared the hell
    out of my girlfiend, but it would have been better than the alternative.
    In short: Don't sit sideways in a lane and trust the cagers to pay
    attention.

    I obviously shouldn't have insisted on riding my bike home with a screwed
    up ankle and without knowing how safe the bike was, but a big "**** off"
    to anyone who would ask me to leave it there.

    Anyone have anything to add? Anything else I should have done
    differently?

    Reed.
     
    Reed Kennedy, Dec 15, 2003
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  2. Question: Were you sure to get strong uninsured/underinsured motorist
    coverage? It may not matter in this case, but its a good idea anyway.
    Driver's Liscence # as well?
    Owch. Other protective gear?

    Heal well!
    Or the rotors got bent, or the calipers screwed up....
    Uh, reed, "Truck"?

    You do have a bad habit of riding bikes which should not be ridden.
    If you keep riding, methinks your next purchase should be a bike
    trailer and a removable hitch.
    Heal well!

    And I hate to say it, but consider buying a Volvo. You seem to have
    some nasty-bad karma.
     
    Nicholas C. Weaver, Dec 15, 2003
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  3. Reed Kennedy

    Reed Kennedy Guest

    (Nicholas C. Weaver) wrote in
    Nope. This was a case of buying what I could afford so as to be legal.
    Nope. I really didn't have much to do with anything. It was quite odd.
    I was wearing my Technics Carbon Kevlar gloves, Schuberth Concept helmet,
    Alpinstar touring boots, and good old Vanson "Buell" jacket. Just jeans
    on the legs.
    It doesn't feel uneven, just mushy.
    Yes, but the EMT driving was recovering from foot surgery and didn't
    ride, the other person there was smallish and didn't ride, and I was 10
    blocks from home. Getting the bike into the truck would have been far
    more difficult and possibly destructive than coasting down an easy grade
    for 2 minutes.
    Which others?
    To attach to...
    Thanks... Working on it.
    Nope.

    Reed.
     
    Reed Kennedy, Dec 15, 2003
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  4. Miso, the other EX500.
    Rental/friend vehicles.
     
    Nicholas C. Weaver, Dec 15, 2003
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  5. Reed Kennedy

    Alan Moore Guest

    At a guess,during the collison, the brake lines got squeezed, or
    otherwise deformed, forcing brake fluid back into the reservoir, or
    even out of the system completely. It's possible, though unlikely that
    you could get air in this way. Check for spilled brake fluid around
    the reservoir, and for leaks along the line.

    <snip>

    Glad it wasn't worse. Heal fast. I wish I knew a good method for
    avoiding cagers, but it seems that every situation is unique. So far,
    being big, conspicuous and cautious has worked for me, but there are,
    as you know, no sure things on a motorcycle in traffic.

    Al Moore
    DoD 734
     
    Alan Moore, Dec 15, 2003
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    Lynn McGuire Guest

    Glad it wasn't worse. Heal fast. I wish I knew a good method for
    Doesnt have to be in traffic in the city. The open road is dangerous
    too ! http://www.herberts.org/wayne/valk/valkwreck.htm Broke
    my heart to see that beautiful Valkyrie just laying there dead.

    Lynn
     
    Lynn McGuire, Dec 16, 2003
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  7. Yeah. As gently as I can put it, quit posting theories on what you did
    wrong before you've gotten paid or otherwise settled the issue. Insurance
    adjusters and lawyers read newsgroups too. Admitting any liability in a
    public forum isn't smart.

    Glad you're OK.

    Geo
     
    George Mealer, Dec 16, 2003
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  8. Reed Kennedy

    Brandon High Guest

    Dumbass. (You, not him. But he's a dumbass too.)
    Soft tissue heals slowly. Watch your diet (no drinking, smoking, coffee
    or "recreationals") and take your vitamins.
    For those not in the know, it's like a removable cast with a curved
    (front-to-back) sole. I had one when I got hit and it helped.

    Wear it. Ice your ankle religiously. Stretch. Cut all caffiene from your
    diet and stop smoking, if you still do. It's been 3 years since my ankle
    got hurt and it's about 85% healed.
    Good time to get the steel lines on teh bike, if you still want to. I'll
    bring over the Mity-Vac, since you really shouldn't be riding with bad
    brakes.
    That was silly.
    I haven't had signals on the ZX for a while, but I don't normally ride
    it in traffic. Hand signals also help when it's light out, but it might
    have been too dark to matter.
    It's hard to say what the right action would have been, but stopping in
    traffic is seldom a good idea. Was your brake light visible to the car?
    I'm certain that the brake flasher on me BMW has saved be from a few
    accidents.
    I went for a 6 mile jog the evening that I hurt my ankle. That was
    probably a worse idea.
    Uh, not gotten hit?

    Having decent riding boots probably saved you a lot of pain. I had on an
    OK set of AlpineStar touring boots when I got hit. I replaced them with
    a pair of Daytonas that day. Better ankle protection.

    -B
     
    Brandon High, Dec 16, 2003
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    NZMSC Guest

    As our sadly departed Adny pointed out many times, crash injuries peak at the
    foot and get less frequent on the way up the body (with the exception of the
    head).

    So a pair of riding pants is actually more important than a good jacket (but
    only just).
     
    NZMSC, Dec 16, 2003
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  10. Reed Kennedy

    NZMSC Guest

    You mean he had all that time to see the guy coming across the median strip
    and *still* couldn't avoid it.

    Geez! Maybe it's just as well his Valkyrie is totalled...
     
    NZMSC, Dec 16, 2003
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  11. Injuries, or impacts? This reminds me of the guy in WWII who made a major
    breakthrough in bomber armor. Prior to his work, the thought was that you
    looked at planes when they got back from their missions, saw where they'd
    received the most fire, and put more armor there. This guy started looking
    for places where *none* of the planes had been hit, and put more armor there.
    The reason why is left as an exercise for the reader...


    -Josh
     
    Josh Kaderlan, Dec 16, 2003
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  12. Reed Kennedy

    Reed Kennedy Guest

    (Brandon High) wrote in
    That'd be great, if you wanna drag it up to Oakland. You could help me
    assess the damage to the bike, too.
    The cops told me if I didn't move it soon, it'd get hit.
    Yeah, frankly, I'm glad I had my hands on the bars.
    No, tail light wasn't visible. I didn't come to a complete stop, but
    slowed into a non-productive "car coming at me!" crawl.
    Couldja explain the logic behind that?
    I knew I was missing something.
    You read my mind.

    Reed.
     
    Reed Kennedy, Dec 16, 2003
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  13. Reed Kennedy

    Reed Kennedy Guest

    Help me out here, I'm on pain killers.

    (BTW, is that a true story?)

    Reed.
     
    Reed Kennedy, Dec 16, 2003
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  14. The breakthrough is that the planes that made it back to base were a biased
    sample. Obviously, if the plane made it back to base, it could survive the
    fire it received. But where did the planes that *didn't* make it back get
    hit?
    Yup. The guy's name was Abraham Wald.


    -Josh
     
    Josh Kaderlan, Dec 16, 2003
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  15. Reed Kennedy

    Calgary Guest

    Too easy Josh, because the planes that were hit "there" didn't make it
    back.


    84 - Virago 1000
    http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/

    Stressed is just Desserts spelled backwards
     
    Calgary, Dec 16, 2003
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    Dave Slavik Guest

    <Snippage of yikes!ness>

    Reed, you and I should NEVER, never EVER ride together...

    It may very well call down the apocalypse upon mankind ;)

    Heal up! Also, even though it is not a good idea long term (whilst the weak
    meat heals) it is always fun to celebrate living by spending one night
    getting a real bender on...:D
     
    Dave Slavik, Dec 16, 2003
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  17. Reed Kennedy

    jenner Guest

    Yeah! I'm glad you are ok god damnit!
     
    jenner, Dec 16, 2003
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  18. Dave... are you trying to tell us that if we happen to see you and Reedy
    riding together... start leaving plenty of room??? :cool:

    Larry L
    94 RC45 #2
    Have a wheelie NICE day...
    Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
    If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
    V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
    1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
    Yank and bank your brains loose...
    http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
    http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
     
    Larry xlax Lovisone, Dec 16, 2003
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  19. Well Reedy... thanks to the informational super highway you can't finish
    tossing your ride before someone wants to hear about on the net...
    wasn't so back in 65... my fond days of motorcycle learning... where
    crashing was a private affair... you ate it... you got up... you brush
    yourself off... your prime thought was (besides what the ****) did
    anyone see my screw up??? whereas now it's... what the ****...
    everyone on the net is going to know I screwed up...


    Larry L
    94 RC45 #2
    Have a wheelie NICE day...
    Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
    If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
    V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
    1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
    Yank and bank your brains loose...
    http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
    http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
     
    Larry xlax Lovisone, Dec 16, 2003
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  20. Reed Kennedy

    barbz Guest

    Did the lawyer have a KPBS sticker on his Volvo? Hell, just the fact
    that it was a Volvo shoulda made you more alert! The heck with Chinese
    driver jokes...it's the yups you have to watch out for!

    barb
     
    barbz, Dec 16, 2003
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