What a lovely religion this is.

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    After reading this short article I had to ask, where do I sign up to
    this charming religion?


    (By Colin Maine)

    There has been a resurgence of Islam recently. This has plunged the
    countries where this has happened into the dark ages. They have been
    set back a thousand years.

    In THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD dated 13.2.79 it was reported that
    Pakistan is going to bring back stoning. Moslems caught drinking
    alcohol will be given 80 lashes, and thieves will have either their
    foot or hand cut off.

    In Iran men are sent to the firing squads on charges of "warring
    against God and his emissaries". Courts have frozen pending divorces
    by women.

    "Three girls' secondary schools were closed after being raided by
    Khomeini's supporters, and unveiled women were being attacked in the
    streets...Women who were protesting about Khomeini's speech telling
    women in the government to wear clothes covering hair, neck, arms and
    feet, were threatened with shouts of 'get dressed or get beaten'."

    Also in Iran, Moslem demonstrators shouting "purification by fire",
    set alight the red light district in Tehran. Prostitutes were
    attacked, brothels, bars and nightclubs looted.

    An Abadan cinema was set alight and 377 people were burnt alive. Those
    who set fire to it closed the exit doors from the outside, and
    systematically set it ablaze at its four corners. NEWSWEEK, September
    4, 1978 reported that there had been 30 cinema fires in Iran in the
    previous month.

    It was reported on February 6, 1978 that the 23-year-old Princess
    Misha was executed in Jiddah either for marrying a commoner or

    In Malaysia Moslem fanatics have been invading Hindu temples and
    smashing their images and gods. This could start a religious war.
    There are some Moslems who are demanding that the Islamic punishment
    of stoning and whipping be imposed.

    On the Australian Broadcasting Commission radio news on May 9, 1979 it
    was reported that in Iran militant Moslems announced that they
    intended to convert the world to Islam, and that their first task was
    to "root out deviations."

    These events are not as Moslems apologists assert, aberrations but an
    inevitable outcome of the basic teachings of Islam. All can be
    justified either by the KORAN or by the HADITHS--the traditions
    concerning the acts and sayings of Mohammed. Both are considered a
    guide as to how life should be ordered in an Islamic society.

    The KORAN was written down 20 years after Mohammed's death, and the
    first HADITH 220 years after his death. Many HADITHS were invented in
    the intervening years to support a particular course of action.

    According to both HADITH and KORAN, Islam must be the world's most
    oppressive religion. It is undemocratic; it is puritanical; it is
    barbarously punitive; it oppresses women; its laws are cruel to
    animals; it is intolerant towards other religions; it is
    anti-intellectual; it places restrictions upon art.


    CRUCIFIXION. This is permitted by the KORAN for "Making war against
    Allah and his messengers".

    FLOGGING. 100 lashes is given for adultery or fornication. 80 lashes
    is given for bearing false witness. (Here this is only mentioned in
    reference to charges against chaste women).

    Flogging is also given for drinking alcohol. No punishment is
    prescribed in the KORAN for this. It merely states that it is a sin
    and an abomination. In practice in many Moslem countries, 80 lashes is
    the penalty for merely drinking a glass of wine.

    Yet there is no mention whatever in the KORAN about drugs, and in
    countries like Iran where alcohol is strictly forbidden, there are
    estimated to be 2 million drug addicts; heroin and hashish are openly
    sold in the streets, and ''addicts huddle by an open drain with rags
    over their heads inhaling amid a stench of stale urine."

    MUTILATION. "As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her
    hands." So not just one hand is to be cut off but both of them.

    WOMEN TO BE IMMURED. "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness,
    take the evidence of four reliable witnesses from amongst you against
    them; and if they testify, confine them to their houses until Death do
    claim them, or Allah ordain for them some other way." So for some
    vague sexual trifle women can be locked up for their entire life.

    PENALTY FOR MURDER. The KORAN seems to regard sexual misdemeanours as
    being more reprehensible than murder. For killing another human being,
    one has only to make a compensation to the relatives of the person
    killed. These are the only references I could find in the KORAN to
    punishment, so for most crimes we have to rely on the HADITH.

    STONING. Though there is no mention in the KORAN about stoning for
    adultery, Mohammed did use the punishment according to a HADITH. One
    account says that a man who had become a Moslem confessed to
    fornication. Mohammed ordered him to be stoned at the Musalla (Mosque
    outside Medina). When the stones struck him he ran away, but he was
    caught and stoned until he was dead. Then Mohammed spoke well of him
    and prayed over him.

    Another HADITH relates that a Jew and Jewess were brought before
    Mohammed for fornication. Omar relates:

    "They were stoned on the level ground and I saw the man leaning over
    the woman to shield her from the stones."

    I find this story rather far fetched, as it relates that the Jew was
    brought a BIBLE, and was told to read from it. He is supposed to have
    tried to cover the words about stoning with his hand. He would have
    been extremely stupid to have tried to do this in full view of a group
    of Moslems, as this would only draw attention to the words.

    Women will be happy to know that it is considered laudable to spare
    their modesty should they be stoned. A hole dug, and she is buried up
    to her waist before she is killed by having rocks thrown at her.

    The DICTIONARY OF ISLAM says that stoning "has become almost obsolete
    in modern times." So this religion is becoming more repressive, not
    less. The victims will be happy to know that they will get the full
    funeral rites.


    Islam is very harsh on women, particularly in sexual matters. The
    KORAN says: "Your wives are as filth unto you. So approach your filth
    when or how ye will." The word 'filth' comes from till--to work by
    plowing, sowing, and raising crops from.

    So a man can have sex with one of his wives at any time, and in any
    way that he wants. The woman does not have similar rights. As
    punishment, the KORAN says that if women are disloyal their husbands
    should refuse to sleep with them. Sexuality in women seems to be
    considered undesirable. The KORAN ways that slaves girls should be
    "chaste, not lustful." In the Moslem heaven men will be given
    dark-eyed virgins who are perpetually young. There is no mention of
    women being provided with virile young men, so they had better take
    their knitting with them as there will be little else to do. The only
    pleasures described in the KORAN are sitting on thrones, walking
    through gardens eating fruits, and drinking heavily wine (which does
    not even intoxicate).

    As Ramon Lull said of it: What will their paradise be but a tavern of
    unwearied gorging, and a brothel of perpetual turpitude?"


    The Moslem religion is completely hypocritical on sexual matters and
    it is all in favor of the men. The mere performance of ceremony
    permits a man to have sex with any of his four wives in any manner and
    at any time.

    Also the KORAN permits men to use women captured in war for their
    sexual amusement. They can also be bought. Mohammed himself received
    two slave girls as a present from the governor of Egypt. One he gave
    to a man called Hassan, and the other he kept for himself, and she
    subsequently had a son by him. The KORAN allows a Moslem to have as
    many concubines as he wants.

    The SOCIAL LAWS OF THE KORAN says: "...he is permitted to cohabit with
    his female slave. In this case nothing is said as to number; they are
    allowed to him without any restriction whatever."

    Yet Islam punishes women more severely than men for sexual offenses.
    In a Moslem country this year a man and a woman were flogged for
    adultery. The man got 25 lashes and the woman 100 lashes.

    On June 19, 1979 it was reported in THE AUSTRALIAN that an Iranian
    woman was executed for having illicit sexual relations. The man
    involved got a lighter sentence. The report said that the woman was
    put to death by her mother, father and a brother.

    Though he placed such severe restrictions on women, Mohammed himself
    had as much sex as he wanted. His wife Ayesha who he married when she
    was 10, and he was 53 said of Mohammed: "He loved three things, women,
    perfume and food, and of the first two he had his heart's desire.

    Mohammed had 11 wives, as well as concubines, even though he
    restricted his followers to four wives. A 'special revelation' from
    Allah permitted him to have as many wives as he liked. Oddly enough
    his revelations always seemed to tell him the sort of things that he
    wanted to know.

    We have already seen that women can be punished for lewdness with life
    imprisonment. Yet the following verse of the KORAN says: "If two men
    among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and
    amend let them both alone."

    As two men are mentioned this must only refer to homosexuality. One
    translation says "punish them lightly".

    When he tires of one of his wives a Moslem can get rid of her by a
    mere verbal formula. The SOCIAL LAWS OF THE KORAN says "The ceremony
    of divorce among Muhammedans is very simple, the husband merely saying
    'Thou art divorced' or 'I herewith dismiss thee'." The KORAN does not
    give a woman the right to a divorce for any reason whatsoever.

    Women are also oppressed in other ways, and are regarded as being
    very much inferior beings. The KORAN says that men are a degree above
    them and that they should be obedient to their husbands, and that for
    disloyalty they can be beaten.


    It was Mohammed who imposed the veil on women. Millions of women
    through large parts of the world in the last 1200 years have never
    been able to go out without wearing the veil.
    I have myself spent 1-1/2 years in Aden, not far south of the area
    where Mohammed spent his life. I have seen women completely covered
    with veils that cover their entire faces in humidity so high that as
    soon as one puts on a shirt it is soaking with sweat.

    If they had appeard unveiled they would probably have been killed. It
    is worth noting that the Moslem religion mostly exists in countries
    that are near the Equator, so this impost_ tion of the veil is not a
    trivial matter.


    The Islamic law says of circumcision and clitorectomy, "It is an
    obligation for men and women to do it for themselves and their
    children, and if they neglect it, the Imam may force them to it for it
    is right and necessary."

    In THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD of January 16, 1979 there was an article
    on clitorectomy (female circumcision) in Egypt. Nawal Alsa'adawi, the
    Egyptian gynaecologist and psychiatrist, was reported to have said:
    "You can't separate sexual oppression from political and religious

    In an article on the practice it was claimed that nearly all of the
    young girls in Egyptian villages, where most of the people live, are
    circumcised. The article went on: "This circumcision is, in effect,
    castration of women. For the women the pleasure of sex is gone."

    Some of the girls bleed to death. Others develop abcesses. The article
    claimed that the religious establishment found her view too
    threatening. Nawal defended Islam, and claimed that it was not
    responsible for these circumcisions, and that Mohammed was progressive
    in regard to women. I have shown in my section on this that this was
    not the case. She could hardly do otherwise in a country as religious
    as Egypt. She has enough of a problem trying to prevent these
    mutilations from taking place, without challenging the very basis of
    the religion itself.


    Women had a much higher status in Arabia before Islam. There are
    accounts of women fighting in battles, riding across the desert,
    visiting men alone, and taking part in public debates.

    Each of these stories ends with the words: "This was before the
    Apostle received the revelation about veiling." The freedom women
    enjoyed before Islam is shown by the example of Khadija, Mohammed's
    first wife. She was an heiress, and business woman, and she proposed
    to him.

    Women took a great part in the apposition to Mohammed. One of his
    foremost opponents was Hind the wife of Abu Sofian, the leader of the

    When Mohammed finally marched on Mecca and captured it, Abu Sofian
    made a speech to the people telling them that it was useless to oppose
    the Moslems. Hind jumped up beside him and shouted: "Don't take any
    notice of this fat old fool. A fine protector of his people he is."

    A poetess called Asma who lived in Medina wrote some satirical verses,
    making fun of her fellow citizens' adoption of Mohammed as their
    religious leader. These were passed from mouth to mouth, holding him
    up to ridicule. Moham med arranged for her to be assassinated. She was
    stabbed in her tent, surrounded by her five children.


    Islam is the only religion in the world which teaches that converts
    can be won at the point of a sword. The KORAN says that those who
    won't accept Islam are to be killed. "When ye encounter the
    unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great
    slaughter among them."

    The KORAN says: "Fight those who believe not in Allah" and that
    Moslems are to fight against non-believers until "there prevail
    justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere." We have already
    seen what kind of 'justice' exists when Islam is established as the
    religion of a country.

    The KORAN says: "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike, but
    it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you." "If
    anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah),
    never will it be accepted of rim." The KORAN continues: "How many
    populations have we destroyed."

    A great deal is made of the tolerance of Islam towards Christianity
    and Judaism. This is exaggerated. Islam was more tolerant towards
    these two religions than it was towards paganism, but that is not
    saying much.

    Mohammed regarded the Christian doctrine of the trinity as being the
    worship of three gods. Also that the central teaching of
    Christianity--that Jesus is the son of God--is blasphemous. The KORAN
    says that those who believe these two things will go to hell. The
    KORAN says: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians
    for your friends and protectors. They are friends and prtectors to
    each other."

    It should be remembered that the Moslems delivered an entirely
    unprovoked attack on many Christian countries. When they took
    Christian Constantinople the streets ran with blood. A great part of
    the Moslem empire consisted of countries that had formerly been

    Just before Mohammed died, he expressed the wish that there "not
    remain any faith but that of Islam throughout the whole land of
    Arabia." In accordance with his wishes the Jews and Christians were
    expelled from that country.


    The pagans bore the brunt of Islamic fury. Sir William Muir says of
    these: ". . .but for the rest the sword is not to be sheathed till
    they be exterminated, or submit to the faith which has become superior
    to every other religion."

    The KORAN says: "...fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them."
    Another translation says: "Kill those who ascribe partners to God."
    Again, the KORAN says that pagans are unclean. Other translations use
    the word 'polytheist' instead of 'pagan' and one translates this verse
    as 'polytheists are filth'.

    This is sometimes considered to be justified as most people are
    ignorant of the nature of the religion of Arabia before Islam. The
    image conjured up is of hideous idols, and human sacrifices, and
    corrupt priesthood. This is not borne out by the facts.

    There was no religious prejudice or persecution before Mohammed and
    charities existed to look after orphans; they also collected money to
    buy the freedom of slaves.

    The Meccans did not turn against him until he attacked their gods, and
    announced that their ancestors were in hell.

    Glubb says that the attitude of the pagans towards their temples and
    images were similar to that of the British to Westheimer Abbey, and
    other similar places in England

    It is worth noting that there was no priesthood in the paganism of
    Arabia of the time. Though Islam is not supposed to have priests, the
    equivalent has developed in most Moslem countries, and a religious
    establishment has arisen, which in many of them has enormous power. So
    in this respect Islam was a retrograde step.

    Also the god concept of Islam can hardly be an improvement on
    paganism, as even though Allah is called 'the merciful, the
    beneficent', this is hardly borne out by his action in torturing all
    non-believers in hell forever. A description of the Moslem hell will
    give some idea of the nature of the sort of god they believe in.


    In the Moslem hell one's skin is constantly being renewed after being
    roasted through so the victim can "taste the penalty." They will be
    wearing a garment of fire. They will eat foul fruits and be made to
    drink boiling water. Over their heads will be poured boiling water.
    The water is not just boiling but foetid and "in gulps will he sip it,
    but never will he be near swallowing down his throat. Death will come
    to him from every quarter, yet will he not die; and in front of him
    will be a chastisement unrelenting." It will last forever, and it will
    not be lightened and he will be in despair. They will beg for death
    but it will be denied. As if that were not enough--"there will be
    maces of iron to punish them,"


    The intolerance of Islam towards polytheism (the worship of more than
    one god) has drowned the world in blood. This was particularly the
    case in India. In most parts of the world the pagans found it easier
    to give in and become Moslems. But the Hindus were prepared to fight.

    When the Moslems got to India they attacked the Hindus, killed them,
    and destroyed their temples and images. In Kanauj alone 10,000 temples
    were destroyed, and 50,000 Hindus were killed.

    The Hindus Bet on with each other quite well. There has been very
    little conflict between the various sects of that religion. As far as
    they are concerned a man can worship anything he wants or nothing at
    all. Hinduism is very tolerant in the matter of religion.

    The religious strife between Moslems and Hindus is still continuing.
    An eyewitness to the religious fighting during the British Raj states:

    "The moment the crowd decided that one of the opposite religion had
    been killed, then everyone in one form of dress would turn on the
    others... Thousands upon thousands an hour being killed, and of course
    it was a most terrifying sight. They'd pick up any weapon they could,
    they shouted, they smashed, they always tried to whittle out the
    opposition so that they were heavily outnumbered... Or you could go
    across Harrar Bridge, and you could see them being laid on their
    faces, with their heads poking out over the bridge, and being beheaded
    into the river, and their bodies being thrown in afterwards. Of
    course, at ter the riot the river was practically choked with dead
    bodies ..."

    In the years since Islam was first established vast numbers of people
    must have died as a result of its teachings. Glubb estimates that
    perhaps one or two people might have been killed in a normal Bedoin
    raid. In the religious wars that took place when Mohammed proclaimed
    Jihad (holy war) many millions have been killed.

    When India was granted independence over 1,000,000 were killed in the
    strife which broke out between members of the two religions.

    Even as I write these words reports are coming in from all over the
    world--in India, Indonesia, Iran, the Philippines, North Africa--of
    Moslems fighting each other, and the members of other religions. One
    does not read of Buddhists, Jains, Parsees fighting members of other
    religions. It's always the Moslems who are involved--apart from
    Protestants and Catholics fighting each other in Northern Ireland.

    One can only conclude that there is something about this religion that
    causes this to happen. This is the 'holy' book of Islam, the KORAN,
    that incites its followers to attack and kill those who belong to
    other faiths.


    One myth that is widely believed is that Islam promoted knowledge, but
    this is not the case. In later centuries a high civilization did
    develop in Moslem countries, but this was despite Islam, not because
    of it.

    Gibb says: "The struggle to subordinate all intellectual life to the
    authority of religion went on for many centuries in successive regions
    of the Muslim world."

    In the first and second centuries of Islam "a Moslem's duty was to
    practice Islam and not medicine." The KORAN and the mosque remained
    the basis of Arab education until the Abbasids initiated a great age
    of learning in the 9th century.

    Arab civilization was built on that of Greece, Persia, and Rome. Islam
    initially set these back. It is said that the Moslems preserved the
    knowledge of the Greeks, but it was already being kept by the
    Byzantines, and Moslems merely continued this process. All the
    evidence indicates that Islam was a danger to Greek thought, and that
    it was just a lucky accident that it survived at all under this

    In 744 the rationalist Caliph Yazid 111 decreed that the doctrine of
    predestination should give way to that of free will. Then in 762 the
    capital of Islam was moved to Baghdad, in Persia, and civilization
    began again to flourish in the middle east. This owed more to the
    ancient civilization of Persia, which had already been 1,000 years old
    when Mohammad was born, than it did to Islam.

    "... Persian songs, as well as Persian ideas and thoughts, won the
    day...and paved the way for a new era distinguished by the cultivation
    of science and scholarly pursuits."

    The Islamic world has sunk back into ignorance again, and even in such
    great universities as Al-Azhar at Cairo--the largest Moslem university
    in the world--the KORAN is the basis of education. In many schools the
    children learn nothing else. The KORAN remains the basis of the law,
    and the foundation of the Moslem legal, judicial, and political
    system, and the guide to every aspect of life.


    Another myth about Islam is that it promoted equality. In reality
    Islam permitted the ultimate inequality--slavery. As Muir says of
    Mohammed: "He rivetted the fetter." "There is no obligation whatever
    on a Moslem to release his slaves.' Mohammed himself had slaves--17
    men and 11 women.

    One of the early Caliphs, Omar "insisted on a medieval Apartheid with
    the Arabs as master race."

    In subsequent years the Arabs had one of the worst records as slavers,
    and this has continued right up till the later years of the 20th
    century and may still be going on. Some of the worst feudal regimes in
    history were based on Islam as is the present regime in Saudi Arabia.

    Mohammed himself set a procedure for this by ruling Arabia as absolute
    dictator. Nutting says: "Mohammed concentrated all power, temporal and
    spiritual in his own hands, and had combined in himself the offices of
    lawgiver, chief judge, and commander, head of state and head of

    He never bothered (or Allah never revealed to him) to convey the
    method by which he was to be succeeded. After his death this led to
    the bloody wars between the Shitite and Sunni Moslems.


    On returning from a raid against a tribe called the Banu Lahyan,
    Mohammed stopped at the grave of his mother. The following
    'revelation' prevented him from praying for her soul: "It is not
    fitting for the Prohet and those who believe, that they should pray
    for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be next of kin ... "


    According to Moslem halal rites, when any animal is slaughtered, the
    man who kills it must face towards Mecca, and say a prayer when he
    cuts its throat. It is essential for the animal to bleed to death, and
    it must be fully conscious, and cannot be tranquilized, or stunned.


    The very essence of Islam is a supine acceptance of a grovelling
    acceptance of one's lot. The word tIslam' itself means submission.
    That is the will of Allah. They believe that nothing happens without
    His permission, so there is no point in trying to do anything about
    improving this life.

    The doctrine of predestination is taught in the KORAN, 9.51 and in
    other passages.


    Islam had a bad effect on art, as Mohammed disliked painting, music
    and poetry. Luckily, the liking of the Arabs for the last two of these
    was too great for his influence to have much effect. It was on
    painting and sculpture that Islam had the worst influence, as all
    representations of either human or animal forms were forbidden, so
    their art was restricted to mindless patterns.

    Mohammed said that those who decorate their tombs and churches with
    paintings "were the worst part of all creation."


    The example of the life of Mohammed is taken, with the KORAN, as a
    guide to how life should be lived. It is therefore very important to
    consider his character, and acts. When I began writing this pamphlet,
    I did not think that I would like Mohammed. But the more I read about
    him the less attractive did I find him.

    He was guilty of the worst crimes any man can commit-murder. On one
    occasion he had the entire male population of a Jewish tribe, the Bani
    Quraizah, massacred and then had the women and children sold into
    slavery. Every book on Mohammed mentions this incident, and the KORAN,
    33.26 refers to it.

    Mohammed had people killed for the most trivial reasons. A man called
    Kinana ibn All al Huquiq, who was the leader of a Jewish tribe whose
    fort was captured by the Moslems, tried to conceal the fact that he
    had gold. When an informer told Mohammed of this he had Kinana
    tortured by having hot coals put on his chest till he was nearly dead,
    and then he was killed.

    A man called Al Nadhr, who was a teller of tales, used to say of
    Mohammed to his audiences: "Are not my stories as good as his?" For
    this Mohammed orderd that his head be struck off. After the battle of
    Badr a man called Uqba was taken prisoner. When he was being taken
    away to be executed he said to Mohammed: "What will become of my
    little children." Mohammed replied: Hellfire."

    It might be thought that I am quoting from books which are hostile to
    Mohammed. This is not so. Only Muir's book is slightly hostile to him.
    All the others go out of their way to portray him in a favourable
    light. We have enough evidence in the KORAN of Mohammed's cruel
    nature, in the punishments he ordered, his descriptions of hell, and
    his incitements to his followers to kill people.

    Though he ordered the horrible mutilation of the cutting off of hands
    for theft, he was himself one of the biggest thieves in history. A
    'revelation' from Allah permitted Mohammed to keep one-fifth of the
    spoils captured from the towns his followers invaded, and the caravans
    they raided.

    He was incredibly prudish. At Medina it was the practice to fertilise
    the female date palm tree by hand. Mohammed was so disgusted by this
    that he forbade his followers to practice it. The result was that
    hardly any of the trees bore fruit, so he had to rescind his order.

    At the same time he was extremely lecherous, as can be seen by the
    large number of wives he had. Karl Brookelmann, in his book, HISTORY
    OF THE ISLAMIC PEOPLES, says that Mohammed's death was brought on by
    "an excess of pleasuretaking in the harem."

    The only thing that can be said in his favour was that he did on
    occasion refrain from killing people. I can't myself see that to be a
    particularly great virtue.

    It might be wondered how a man with this sort of character could
    become so admired, and could attain the position he did. What is not
    realised is that many people of the time detested him.

    After ten years of preaching in Mecca he only had acquired 70
    followers. When he secured a base at Medina, he used the same methods
    as Hitler or the American gangster Al Capone to establish his
    religion. All the accounts that tell us of him are biased in his
    favour, as death or exile awaited anyone who criticised Mohammed or
    the KORAN when Islam became the state religion of Arabia.

    It might be said that Mohammed was a man of his time. but we must
    judge him according to the standards of today, not those of 1200 years
    ago. We should try to improve on the

    ethics of the past. Moslems claim that Islam is a religion for our
    time, and it is by the ideals of this century that we should measure
    it, not by those of the 7th century.

    According to these standards Mohammed was a cruel barbarian, merciless
    and fanatical. He introduced religious hatred into large parts of the
    world that before were tolerant on such matters. He curtailed the
    freedom of women. He endorsed slavery. He broke up families. He
    ordered cruel punishments. The world would have been a better place if
    he had never been born.

    From publication of the Rationalist Association of N.S.W. 58 Regent
    Street, Chippendale, N.S.W. 2008, Australia.
    Ian Tilley, Dec 29, 2003
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    Smee Guest

    Should we at ausmoto really give a ****?
    didn't paulh give you lot a lesson a few weeks back?
    give it up already.

    Ian Tilley wrote:

    SNIP irrelevant crossposted drivel
    Smee, Dec 29, 2003
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    atec77 Guest

    you may have noticed your cross posting to a car group . so with all
    distaste I say
    feck off spamming bitch
    atec77, Dec 29, 2003
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    Biggus Guest

    Cross post it to WHO GIVES A ****.
    Biggus, Dec 29, 2003
  5. Ian Tilley

    Leon. Guest

    Look up which religion was responsible for

    * witch hunts - Europe
    * salem witch hunts - USA
    * The Crusades - one Jewish town was wiped out because the crusaders
    couldnt decide
    if they might be enemies or not
    * The Conquests - governments, privateers and missionaries on "conquest".

    When I go into a court of law or parliament, which religion is shoved in
    front of my face, and which religion is served up in prayer and speechs with
    no respect for any other ?
    Leon., Dec 29, 2003
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    Iggy Guest

    Could you bugger off to wherever you came from and not post this completely
    unrelated crap in aus.tv? I imagine the aus.motorcyclers probably feel the
    same as me.
    Iggy, Dec 29, 2003
  7. "conquest".

    My great-great grandfather shot quite a few Indians.

    What point are you trying to make?

    Sala'am & Shalom

    Iskandar Baharuddin, Dec 29, 2003
  8. Ian Tilley

    sardo numspa Guest

    **** off ****

    sardo numspa, Dec 29, 2003
  9. Ian Tilley

    Tourette's Guest

    Here here. Take it to your local One Nation meeting,
    they will be far more interested than us.
    Tourette's, Dec 29, 2003
  10. Ian Tilley

    drnobody Guest

    "In THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD dated 13.2.79"

    Excuse me, are we taking about 13th Feb 1979?
    drnobody, Dec 29, 2003
  11. Ian Tilley

    duuude Guest

    Why do you blame religion for the actions of man?

    <---- That way to one nation
    duuude, Dec 29, 2003
  12. Ian Tilley

    Johno Guest

    Coz, it is gods fault, he created us in his own image - he must have
    been on a right bender that day! - or the HD broke down and Adam had
    the ute...

    <---- That way to one nation
    what religion is that?

    Johno, Dec 29, 2003
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    Sprint Guest

    So... what punishment would you get for doing a stoppie in traffic, or
    perhaps a nac nac past a cop car?

    Sprint :)
    Sprint, Dec 29, 2003
  14. Ditto, motorcycle, **** off idiot!
    Pisshead Pete, Dec 29, 2003

  15. Why was the original post cancelled?

    Nat ;-)
    The Charmed One, Dec 29, 2003
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    ken Guest

    Because some of the most hard to understand actions of man(war and
    genocide for starters) are in the name of their religion.
    ken, Dec 29, 2003
  17. Ian Tilley

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    "Ian Tilley" wrote

    You need to talk to your paper boy Ian.

    Theo Bekkers, Dec 29, 2003
  18. All very nice Leon but that was hundreds of years ago. Christianity has
    evolved. Islam is doing all this today. The Ayatollah actually condones
    pedophilia. What Christian society would do that.
    Me - The Real one!, Dec 29, 2003
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    Nathan Smith Guest

    Interseting point about the Christians. not sure if you are serious or
    Nathan Smith, Dec 29, 2003
  20. Ian Tilley

    Dave Mojo67 Guest

    I want to find the religion responsible for
    * nuking crossposting fuckwits
    * keeping OT crap out of NGs
    * nailing lame cunts who hide behind fake email addresses.
    * killing lamers who perpetuate OT crossposting threads by complaining about

    Yes I'm the last one, no need to complain about it and make this fucked up
    thread any longer.
    Dave Mojo67, Dec 29, 2003
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