What does 20W-50 means?

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  1. NewBie

    NewBie Guest

    Hi,

    What does 20W-50 for 4 stroke engine oil means?
     
    NewBie, Aug 2, 2004
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    PQ Guest

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    OH- Guest

    A good practical explanation. I'll just add, before someone draws the
    wrong conclusions, that even a 0W-40 oil is still more viscous (thick)
    at low temperatures than at high.

    A common misconception is also that a 0W-40 should be thinner
    than a 20W-40 at high temperature. The only thing sure is that
    both fulfil the requirements for grade 40 at approximately 100 deg C.
     
    OH-, Aug 2, 2004
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    David Kelly Guest

    The "W" after the 20 means that this oil can be pumped at temperatures
    as cold as one would expect to be able to pump straight 20 weight oil.

    The 50 at the end means that at or about operating temperature (212ºF
    IIRC) it has similar viscosity as that expected of a straight 50 weight
    oil at the same temperature.

    Notice the "W" winter rating is only the ability to pump the oil. The
    threshold is set where API/SAE felt a real world engine oil sump might
    draw and pump oil.

    This so-called multi-grade oil is really just an extended temperature
    range oil. It doesn't thicken as much when it gets cold, and it doesn't
    thin as much when it gets hot, as so-called single weight/grade oils. As
    others point out its thinner when hot and earns its "50" than when cold
    and earns its "20W."
     
    David Kelly, Aug 3, 2004
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  5. The oil is 20 weight oil with the lubricating property's of 50 weight. Very
    good oil for the hot weather.
     
    Farrell Lawn & Garden Inc., Aug 6, 2004
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  6. No, it doesn't mean that at all.

    The W indicates suitability for Winter use.

    The first number indicates a dynamic viscosity at 0 deg F
    *equivalent* to a straight grade SAE 20. The second number
    indicates equivalence to a straight grade SAE 50 at 100 deg F.
     
    Michael Sierchio, Aug 6, 2004
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    OH- Guest

    You are so right. When will this old myth die ?
    To be very precise, this was the original idea of the W numbering
    system. It may or may not still be approximately true. The current
    W grades are just a number of criteria to be met with no reference
    to any "equivalent oil".

    And the temperature for the main (or "hot") grade viscosity
    measurement is close to 100 deg C (200 deg F ??). And there is
    no need for any equivalent oil here because this IS the viscosity
    test for grade 50 oil.
     
    OH-, Aug 6, 2004
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  8. Right, and I believe the low-temp test is dynamic vis, while the
    high-temp test is kinematic vis.

    You're in Sverige? Do Europeans use the SAE designations, or
    is there an EU specific (DIN/ISO?) scale for multigrade oils?
     
    Michael Sierchio, Aug 6, 2004
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    Matt Whiting Guest

    You are quite wrong.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Aug 6, 2004
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    OH- Guest

    Yes. And next week even better, I go back roads touring, mountain
    riding, sheep dodging in Norge on my XT600.
    Yes, at least as far as I've seen it's 100%. O T O H the significance
    of the API service ratings (that's the name ?) like SJ or CC are
    loosing importance as most car manufacturers are going for extreme
    oil life and develop their own tests and specs while motorcyclists
    get more and more aware of the JASCO ratings.
    Honestly, I don't know. I never heard of one.
     
    OH-, Aug 7, 2004
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    NewBie Guest

    Will it okay to use this engine oil grading (ie. 20W-50) for a bike that the
    manufacturer recommended 10W-40?
     
    NewBie, Aug 10, 2004
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    OH- Guest

    Wheather or not there are any VI improving additives in a 20W-50
    oil is wholly dependant on the choise of base oil(s).

    No engine oil has ever been more viscous hot than cold !
    The reason behind the "thin" oil is that you drain the oil while the
    engine is still warm. If the engine is on it's last legs or is used only for
    extremely short rides it might suffer from fuel dilution.

    VI improver breakdown is a possibility if the oil is used for a long
    time, has cheap (mineral) base oil, a large spread between W and hot
    rating (e.g. 10W-40) and the engine is worked hard.
    AFAIK, the whole VI additive debacle was started by a number
    of car engine breakdowns, but I might be wrong.
     
    OH-, Aug 20, 2004
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