What kind of send-off for her?

This is a good one:

"Downing Street says it is "not appropriate" to start speculating about
the possibility of giving Margaret Thatcher a state funeral"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4775101.stm

John

 

"I'm not dead yet, honest"

 

``I'd spit on her grave but I couldn't afford enough time off work to
spend three days in the queue.'' (Heard on the radio lately)

 

Too right she shouldn't get one. Winnie was the exception and Thatcher
didn't come close to his achievements. No matter what I think of her
personally, I'm being objective on this.

 

I don't think so. I'd like to see her get one just to piss off all the
left-wing twats who do down her achievements all the time...

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Oh, yes I am. She didn't do anything that merits it, just the normal
political decision-making whether I agreed with it or not.

 

Well seen from today, the Thatcher premiership _was_ a gloden liberal
era for the UK when university education was free & wars were just.

.....but despite that our traditions don't grant PM's a state funeral
and therefore she shouldn't have one.

Question is why would anyone even consider it now? The poor woman's fit
as a fiddle! Is this new labia news manipulation?

 

errr... were you there?

 

Because the whole country's going to have a piss-up one way or
another, anyway.

 

What utter shite.

 

I most certainly was.

My point is really that the decisions she took were all in the line of
the idealogy she espoused - we weren't at war, she didn't save the
nation by dint of astute leadership.

I can understand a Thatcherite like yourself [1] wanting to revere her
and possibly even be in favour of a State Funeral, but she doesn't
deserve it. No PM does - with, as I said, the exception of Churchill
(even though he was a ruthless **** too).

[1] You are, aren't you?

 

University education *was* free.

Were wars just? Well you *could* argue that the Govt manipulated the
situation to encourage an invasion but I've yet to see a serious book
on the Falklands argue that.

 

Everyone knows that Maggie got re-elected on the back of the Falklands
war and this was why she did this.

 

So you _were_ there but not paying attention.

He was shit during peace time.

I'm not as it happens.

 

Nah. The misunderstandings that lead to the Falklands must have been
foreign office fuckups not deliberate manipulation.

Maggie couldn't have known in advance we were going to win. ...any text
on the subject shows clearly that we could very easiliy have lost the
Falklands war so she wouldn't have risked deliberately provoking it. It
was the other side of the world. The Argentinans had exocets and If
they'd got a hit on a key ship that would have been it. (Hence the need
to sink the Belgrano)

She certainly wouldn't have got re elected after *losing* the Falklands
'war' to a nation perceived by the public as a third world nation.
....and history wouldn't have been to kind to her either.

Until we won the Falklands situation was a complete fucking disaster
and openly acknowleged as such with foreign office resignations -
hardly something you'd deliberately do.

Mind you, going back to my original point it's incedible that nobody
disputes the first of my example of hard right Mrs Thatch being more
liberal than Blair.

 

Pre-Thatcher, it was.

Oil. Thatcher. Desperately grabbing for headlines. Re-election.

 

Methinks you are mixing up grants and tuition fees.

But the headlines were 'Thatcher fucks up and lets Argentina think they
can take falklands unopposed' and could easily have have been 'Carrier
sunk, task force returns to Britain defeated'. Hardly headlines she
would have desired.

As it happened it all turned out well for her and somehow we've
continued to beleive these shitty Islands are worth a shed load of
blood and two billion a year to us. It could have been different.

Only in following a victory and with hindsight does the Falklands
campaign look good for Thatcher. Ergo she wouldn't have deliberately
provoked a war. Ergo the Falklands was a 'just' war.

 

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying
something like:

snip tripe.

Bollocks.

 

Too right!

Her corpse should be hung in a public place and left to rot, while people
get to throw stones at it.

 

*They* should make it a public holiday, just like *they* did for Charles and
Di's wedding.
I remember that day well as I took the opportunity to fit a LSD and a set of
uprated rear springs to my old Alfa Romeo 1750GTV. Who cares about state
occasions but we all like an extra day off...